Originally posted by Validus
You want to see him written like that yet the other day you said a Kryptonian/New God GL would be boring?
There's a difference. If Captain Atom would actually be written like he is supposed to be, then there's no problem in him fighting equal beings without it getting boring. But to have a New God/Martian/Kryptonian/GL battle the same villains that the JLA normally does? THAT would be boring. If that character fights other villains that are just as powerful, then it'd actually be cool to see. But to have one the JLA... not so much.
Originally posted by Validus
How should he be written? Name some DC villains you think Captain Atom should be facing down. I'm interested in seeing.
Extremely powerful characters can be written very well.
Just have them more or less separate from the cape types.
If you put your guy in a traditional hero costume, then you're begging for him to either teamup, or get beaten by Superman.
Originally posted by galan7777777lol i laugh at that atom is a monsta firestorm is a beast to. i say the new jla wins lol atom could just make it that other team never lived. or orion with his new god tec could just blow the planet and the other team to nothing.
the originals, orion and marvel are really the only power players they have
Originally posted by Validus
I still don't see why we should ignore almost every depiction of his power level in favor of his hypothetical best while not doing the same for every character with half way decent energy manipulation.
Maybe because we realize his powers and understand what they truly should be. Not to mention the fact that he's been said to have infinite potential with them, and can create and destroy universes on a whim. How many "decent" energy manipulators can say they can do that? He's a universal monster that has no restrictions with his powers just about, and yet he's any brick level character's b*tch. There's something wrong with that picture. He's one of the most poorly written characters I've seen. It's really pathetic the way they write him sometimes. In reality, he's an abstract level character who has full force access to all energy in the universe. So, he should really be written as a universal beast, like he was first intended to be. It's when they put him on a team with Superman that his stock dropped severly. I don't think we should hold that against him, do you?
Originally posted by batdude123yes him darkseid,gladiator, many good hero's/villain's are written poorly.
Maybe because we realize his powers and understand what they truly should be. Not to mention the fact that he's been said to have infinite potential with them, and can create and destroy universes on a whim. How many "decent" energy manipulators can say they can do that? He's a universal monster that has no restrictions with his powers just about, and yet he's any brick level character's b*tch. There's something wrong with that picture. He's one of the most poorly written characters I've seen. It's really pathetic the way they write him sometimes. In reality, he's an abstract level character who full force access to all energy in the universe. So, he should really be written as a universal beast, like he was first intended to be.
Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe because we realize his powers and understand what they truly should be. Not to mention the fact that he's been said to have infinite potential with them, and can create and destroy universes on a whim. How many "decent" energy manipulators can say they can do that? He's a universal monster that has no restrictions with his powers just about, and yet he's any brick level character's b*tch. There's something wrong with that picture. He's one of the most poorly written characters I've seen. It's really pathetic the way they write him sometimes. In reality, he's an abstract level character who has full force access to all energy in the universe. So, he should really be written as a universal beast, like he was first intended to be. It's when they put him on a team with Superman that his stock dropped severly. I don't think we should hold that against him, do you?
Would you argue against me if I said Hal Jordan could one punch Superman? Hell man, it's a battle and a half arguing whether Surfer can speedblitz someone.
Originally posted by Validus
Umm, yes? We're debating comic books here, not handbook bios.Would you argue against me if I said Hal Jordan could one punch Superman? Hell man, it's battle and a half arguing whether Surfer can speedblitz someone.
So the fact that he has and can create and destroy universes doesn't mean anything? 🤨 So, honestly J'onn should be losing to Superman everytime, and Superman should be taking on the JLA all at the same time and beating them? Is that what you're saying. Use logic. His powers are universal level, but then Superman steps in and he becomes a brick levels b*tch? You don't think there's anything wrong with that picture? Let's just say Genis all of the sudden started getting punked by Gladiator and Count Nefaria. I guess that means he's fitting to be Robin's side kick now. 🙄 No, fact of the matter is that he's shown enough power (that is INFINITE) to create and destroy universes, and we're just supposed to throw that away like yesterday's newspaper just because of a few low showings? Nope. Full potential Atom WASTES Superman and the like quite easily. But we wouldn't see that happening, just like we wouldn't see J'onn manhandling Superman either. The only difference is that CAPTAIN ATOM IS MILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN EVEN MM!!! Writers piss me off nowadays.
Originally posted by batdude123i think mm could beat supes it would be very very hard but if going all out useing everything he has then yes i think it could be done. its wrong how writer's suck up to hero's like spiderman, supes, hulk and wolverine sad.
So the fact that he has and can create and destroy universes doesn't mean anything? 🤨 So, honestly J'onn should be losing to Superman everytime, and Superman should be taking on the JLA all at the same time and beating them? Is that what you're saying. Use logic. His powers are universal level, but then Superman steps in and he becomes a brick levels b*tch? You don't think there's anything wrong with that picture? Let's just say Genis all of the sudden started getting punked by Gladiator and Count Nefaria. I guess that means he's fitting to be Robin's side kick now. 🙄 No, fact of the matter is that he's shown enough power (that is INFINITE) to create and destroy universes, and we're just supposed to throw that away like yesterday's newspaper just because of a few low showings? Nope. Full potential Atom WASTES Superman and the like quite easily. But we wouldn't see that happening, just like we wouldn't see J'onn manhandling Superman either. The only difference is that CAPTAIN ATOM IS MILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN EVEN MM!!! Writers piss me off nowadays.
The fact that he's never brought that kind of power to battle outside of the Quantum Field means a hell of a lot. Answer my questions from before. You don't think Silver Surfer can speedblitz his opponents and I know you would be on my ass if I went around saying Hal was physically stronger than Superman. Why are you cutting Atom the same slack you wouldn't give to Norrin and Hal?
Originally posted by Validus
The fact that he's never brought that kind of power to battle outside of the Quantum Field means a hell of a lot. Answer my questions from before. You don't think Silver Surfer can speedblitz his opponents and I know you would be on my ass if I went around saying Hal was physically stronger than Superman despite.
Actually, yeah he has shown that ability outside of the Q-field. His powers don't deplete like a Green Lantern's ring. He has full access to it no matter where he goes. So that doesn't even matter. Captain Atom's a jobber, through and through. 😉 Nobody has his potential, especially not bricks.
Originally posted by batdude123
Actually, yeah he has shown that ability outside of the Q-field.
Originally posted by batdude123
His powers don't deplete like a Green Lantern's ring.
Originally posted by batdude123
He has full access to it no matter where he goes.
Originally posted by batdude123
So that doesn't even matter. Captain Atom's a jobber, through and through. 😉
Originally posted by batdude123
Nobody has his potential, especially not bricks.
And about Martian Manhunter really being under Superman? I should be asking you that. You're the one who believes in that T-Vo nonsense.
Originally posted by Validus
Show me.
I suppose what Rasputin is saying means NOTHING then, right?
http://img274.echo.cx/my.php?image=captainatom54163ui.jpg
And I don't see what being in the Quantum Field or not proves. It doesn't make a difference. He has access to it 24/7. ALL OF IT. It doesn't matter where he is. He still can make one without being in there.
Originally posted by Validus
That has shit to do with shit. You still didn't answer that question or the one about Surfer.
Yeah, okay Hal one punched Cyborg Supes. That doesn't mean he's stronger than them. Or, again that's just bad writing. However, it's freakin Hal Jordan, so you never know. 😛 And I never said Silver Surfer COULDN'T speedblitz, just that he's not the speedblitzing type. I'm sure he could speedblitz if he wanted to. 😬
Originally posted by Validus
Bullshit. It depends on his willpower. That's stated in the scan where he's in the Q-field creating a universe.
I don't see your point. He obviously has enough will to create a universe, so what's the problem? He just willed the universe into being, and willed an earth there as well. Also, Rasputin said that his powers were, and I quote: "The Quantum Field is limited only be how you use it." So, he could really do anything he pleases. A bit more powerful than a GL ring, eh?
Originally posted by Validus
When you job as much as Atom does, maybe you're not a jobber anymore. Maybe you really just aren't all that.
Uh huh, and yet he can still punk Hal Jordan though, right? 😉
Originally posted by Validus
Potential is baseless.
So? His potential is beyond universal level, and that's more than we can say about Marvel and Superman, don't you agree?
Originally posted by Validus
And about Martian Manhunter really being under Superman? I should be asking you that. You're the one who believes in that T-Vo nonsense.
No, I was simply responding to the fact that you think Atom isn't better than Superman, and yet you think a NON JOBBING Martian Manhunter wouldn't lose to Superman, but he's written under him. I guess that means Superman punks MM too, right?
