Originally posted by batdude123
IF you give Magneto in his prime enough time to summon his shields, then it got much more difficult for Silver Surfer. Magneto from that point could possibly summon 2/10 against the Surfer.
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The surfer could drain the magnetic energy out of his shields. The same as others have done against Magneto in the past, just faster.
That's great, but come to think of it, Silver Surfer isn't the speedblitzing type, so Mags WOULD have enough time to put his shields up. Those shields are MONSTERS. He deflected a mental attack from Galactus, and it took the combine might of Professor Xavier's and Jean Grey's telepathy to get through them. Even then, Magneto had to divert his attention elsewhere for them to get through. He even blocked Thor's strike with Mjolnir with one of his shields that he summoned on a whim. If he could have a little time to put his strongest shields all stacked on top of one another, then he'd be EXTREMELY tough to beat. The problem is, we're talking about Silver Surfer here. Galactus' most powerful herald. I see Silver Surfer taking this one 8/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
That's great, but come to think of it, Silver Surfer isn't the speedblitzing type, so Mags WOULD have enough time to put his shields up. Those shields are MONSTERS. He deflected a mental attack from Galactus, and it took the combine might of Professor Xavier's and Jean Grey's telepathy to get through them. Even then, Magneto had to divert his attention elsewhere for them to get through. He even blocked Thor's strike with Mjolnir with one of his shields that he summoned on a whim. If he could have a little time to put his strongest shields all stacked on top of one another, then he'd be EXTREMELY tough to beat. The problem is, we're talking about Silver Surfer here. Galactus' most powerful herald. I see Silver Surfer taking this one 8/10.
Eh, you're right that it isn't a blood lusted surfer, hence, Speed blitz is unlikely.
However, the Surfer has never been above draining. He would knock Magneto's shields down by draining them, not through force. Magneto would be entirely unprotected, and subject to the Surfer's onslaught. On the other hand, I still don't see what Magneto can really do to beat the Surfer.
Originally posted by Soljer
❌The surfer could drain the magnetic energy out of his shields. The same as others have done against Magneto in the past, just faster.
As a being of pure energy, it would be extremely hard for Silver Surfer to do that. He's shown in the past to be extremely drained when sucking out the energy of foes who have even less energy than Erik is comprised of. Magneto some times doesn't get his due credit around here. With COMPLETE control of the EM spectrum, he should be in the big leagues rightfully so. And not to mention Erik has an unlimited power source considering electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental fources in the universe. Still, Silver Surfer wins 8/10.
Originally posted by batdude123agreed erik is highly underestimated
As a being of pure energy, it would be extremely hard for Silver Surfer to do that. He's shown in the past to be extremely drained when sucking out the energy of foes who have even less energy than Erik is comprised of. Magneto some times doesn't get his due credit around here. With COMPLETE control of the EM spectrum, he should be in the big leagues rightfully so. And not to mention Erik has an unlimited power source considering electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental fources in the universe. Still, Silver Surfer wins 8/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
As a being of pure energy, it would be extremely hard for Silver Surfer to do that. He's shown in the past to be extremely drained when sucking out the energy of foes who have even less energy than Erik is comprised of. Magneto some times doesn't get his due credit around here. With COMPLETE control of the EM spectrum, he should be in the big leagues rightfully so. And not to mention Erik has an unlimited power source considering electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental fources in the universe. Still, Silver Surfer wins 8/10.
No doubt that Eric is an amazing combatant. However, he can match neither the power, nor the Versatility of the Surfer. He's great, no doubt, perhaps low-herald level. Surfer, on the other hand, is very HIGH Herald level.
You still never mentioned what Magneto could manage to beat the Surfer.
Originally posted by Soljer
Eh, you're right that it isn't a blood lusted surfer, hence, Speed blitz is unlikely.However, the Surfer has never been above draining. He would knock Magneto's shields down by draining them, not through force. Magneto would be entirely unprotected, and subject to the Surfer's onslaught. On the other hand, I still don't see what Magneto can really do to beat the Surfer.
His shields can deflect photons on a whim if he so desires, the EM spectrum is almost everywhere, even in the bonds between particles. Thus, making Magneto one of the most powerful men on the planet. I don't think it's unreasonble that if we're talking about Magneto at his very best with his most powerful shields up that are for all intents and purposes "perfect" (Karnak could not find ONE weak spot in them), then I don't think him winning is too unreasonable. When his shields have gone up, they have never been broken. The only time they were, it was because Magneto wasn't using his full attention on them to make them their most powerful. His "bottle neck" effect even beat miss Grey as the PHOENIX herself. I could think of plenty of ways for him to KO somebody on that level, but it's the freakin SILVER SURFER. He'd be lucky to pull off 2/10. Silver Surfer for the majority here. 🙂
Originally posted by Soljer
No doubt that Eric is an amazing combatant. However, he can match neither the power, nor the Versatility of the Surfer. He's great, no doubt, perhaps low-herald level. Surfer, on the other hand, is very HIGH Herald level.You still never mentioned what Magneto could manage to beat the Surfer.
Magneto isn't low herald level. He's still plenty more versatile than the brick type characters we put into the herald level. He's beaten groups of characters that can attest to this. He's very much a high level being. With nearly limitless potential, it's a wonder why Marvel hasn't characterized him as an Omega yet, but we'll see. He certainly has the potential.
Originally posted by batdude123agreed, some1 that can defeat the phoenix is not a low level herald
Magneto isn't low herald level. He's still plenty more versatile than the brick type characters we put into the herald level. He's beaten groups of characters that can attest to this. He's very much a high level being. With nearly limitless potential, it's a wonder why Marvel hasn't characterized him as an Omega yet, but we'll see. He certainly has the potential.
*rolls eyes* EMPing the Phoenix.
Anyways.
No one has yet to give me a way that Magneto would win, they have just repeatedly spammed how powerful he is. I don't care. His shields have been drained before, and they could (very easily) be again. He also lacks the speed to effectively combat the Surfer. Magneto is a one-trick pony when you compare him to someone like Norrin.
Originally posted by Soljeractually pure energy erik was many times faster then the speed of light
*rolls eyes* EMPing the Phoenix.Anyways.
No one has yet to give me a way that Magneto would win, they have just repeatedly spammed how powerful he is. I don't care. His shields have been drained before, and they could (very easily) be again. He also lacks the speed to effectively combat the Surfer. Magneto is a one-trick pony when you compare him to someone like Norrin.
Originally posted by Soljer
*rolls eyes* EMPing the Phoenix.Anyways.
No one has yet to give me a way that Magneto would win, they have just repeatedly spammed how powerful he is. I don't care. His shields have been drained before, and they could (very easily) be again. He also lacks the speed to effectively combat the Surfer. Magneto is a one-trick pony when you compare him to someone like Norrin.
I don't think you understand. That was XORNETO who did that to Jean, not Mags. I'm talking about the "bottle neck" effect.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg
Magneto also was able to shield himself from the Phoenix's blasts of pure untapped energy.
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg
So it's safe to say that if he has enough energy in those shields to take attacks from the Phoenix and Galactus that Silver Surfer isn't going to drain them.
Also, how many times has Silver Surfer ever used his speed wisely in a battle? He always gets rocked physically by Thanos, and he was blasted off his board by Odin. Silver Surfer wouldn't think to speedblitz.
Magneto has plenty of options against Silver Surfer. Don't think that just because of who he is that he's immuned in some way to Mags' powers. Anyway, Silver Surfer STILL takes the very healthy majority at 8/10.
