Darth Bane VS Mace Windu, no forcepowers

Originally posted by Mesirus
firstly) actully come to think about it, why was there any issue with forcepowers?? this is a no forcepowers match!

secondly)

your talking about bane like you know nothing, then there can be no evidence to suggest windu's got a hope, for all you know bane was the best saber warrior there has ever been, your excuse for windu's victory is invalid, try again please

What you guys don't seem to realise is that Bane was easily the top dog in the most martial era in Star Wars, one which saw about 20X the amount of saber combat that Mace Windu ever experienced.

Mace was the second most capable lightsaber duelist in the era when lightsaber dueling was at it's peak. As far as martial eras, you also understand that the most devastating war up to that time - the Clone Wars - were occuring.

So, no. I don't see this massive experience.

Bane was the top dog of his era; his lightsaber abilities were clearly his forté [Bane of the Sith makes it clear that Bane was more of a warrior, hadn't even finished his training in the drak side etc., relied on his saber capabilities], yet he was still able to earn the type of reputation that meant his very presence made the other dark lords piss themselves - all this leads me to believe he must have been a saber prodigy himself.

Once again... you have assumptions. Mace Windu was heralded as one of the greatest duelists that the Order ever produced. A lightsaber prodigy so skilled that he created his own lightsaber form. Vaapad was the hardest to master, and the most dangerous. Only he and Depa Billaba ever accomplished that.

Now all of this evidence alone puts him above Mace in my eyes, and the addition of the orbalisk armour seals the deal imo.

I don't see how. Couple that with the Shatterpoint ability, I see Mace defeating Bane.

Can people stop ignoring the obralisk armor was NOT tested? Vonduum crabs were resistant to sabers, but Sabers could still go through. Moreover, bane's head is totally open

'Mace was the second most capable lightsaber duelist in the era when lightsaber dueling was at it's peak. As far as martial eras, you also understand that the most devastating war up to that time - the Clone Wars - were occuring.

So, no. I don't see this massive experience.'

1. Saber dueling was not at its peak during the PT era, but whatever.
2. You don't seem to understand how there is a big difference between a war between jedi and sith, and a war between jedi and clones. Bane would actually have gotten way more battle experience in terms of saber combat, that's a given. With the exception of sparring matches, Mace Windu faced what, about 10 dark jedi tops in his lifetime. Bane was in a war full of saber weilding opponents - he likely killed hundreds in the war alone.

'Once again... you have assumptions. Mace Windu was heralded as one of the greatest duelists that the Order ever produced. A lightsaber prodigy so skilled that he created his own lightsaber form. Vaapad was the hardest to master, and the most dangerous. Only he and Depa Billaba ever accomplished that.'

I'm not denying that Mace was a great saber duelist, but Bane was clearly a progidy himself. I mean he must have earned his reputation through some show of power, saber combat was his fort, I think it's safe to say that he was probably the best duelist out of all of the sith, and to think that there wouldn't be at least one prodigy in their whole order is just absurd.

1. Saber dueling was not at its peak during the PT era, but whatever.

Yeah it was. Lucas specifically stated that the Jedi were at their peak at the time of the PT.

2. You don't seem to understand how there is a big difference between a war between jedi and sith, and a war between jedi and clones. Bane would actually have gotten way more battle experience in terms of saber combat, that's a given. With the exception of sparring matches, Mace Windu faced what, about 10 dark jedi tops in his lifetime. Bane was in a war full of saber weilding opponents - he likely killed hundreds in the war alone.

Don't assume. Windu faced Dooku, Dooku's Dark Side adepts, and General Grievous. Not to mention Depa, Grievous, and then Sidious himself.

I'm not denying that Mace was a great saber duelist, but Bane was clearly a progidy himself. I mean he must have earned his reputation through some show of power, saber combat was his fort, I think it's safe to say that he was probably the best duelist out of all of the sith, and to think that there wouldn't be at least one prodigy in their whole order is just absurd.

You are assuming and then attempting to pass this off as fact. You have no room to say that Bane > Mace, when there's nothing to support it.

Mace is a concrete lightsaber prodigy, uses a lightsaber form specifcally against Dark Siders, and possesses his Shatterpoint ability.

Bane is going down.

Originally posted by Escape81
Mace was the second most capable lightsaber duelist in the era when lightsaber dueling was at it's peak. As far as martial eras, you also understand that the most devastating war up to that time - the Clone Wars - were occuring.

So, no. I don't see this massive experience.

I'd say that Bane's era was the time when lightsaber duelling was at it's peak. Please think about it. The Jedi in the PT era had to deal with opponents that most likely used normal melee weapons or blaster weapons. In Bane's era it was Jedi vs Sith for almost 1,000 years and we've seen that they participated in lightsaber combat (even large scale) quite regulary. So when it comes to lightsaber vs lightsaber combat I'd say this era was probably the peak of that skill.

Now Bane obviously fought battles on his own and did survive so far meaning that he could have seen more "real" lightsaber vs lightsaber action than virtually any PT Jedi. Add his unique armor which at least partitially resists lightsaber hits and I can see Mace having some considerable problems with beating him - although Mace's Shatterpoint ability might help him to spot weaknesses of that armor - if he's allowed to use it, given that the threadtitle says "no forcepowers".

Once again... you have assumptions. Mace Windu was heralded as one of the greatest duelists that the Order ever produced. A lightsaber prodigy so skilled that he created his own lightsaber form. Vaapad was the hardest to master, and the most dangerous. Only he and Depa Billaba ever accomplished that.

I'd like to point out that the "that the order ever produced" is the important part of the sentence here. The members of the Sith Empire most likely never joined the Order but were only trained in the ways of the Sith. Given that they had to fight Jedi only I'd say that they would most likely focus on some Makashi in order to be could in lightsaber vs lightsaber confrontations.
So Bane can be a Makashi master with pretty huge amounts of actual battle experience under his belt and his nice armor. I mean...imagine Dooku wearing a partially lightsaber resistant armor fighting against Mace. I'm sure you're able to imagine that Mace would have some considerable problems here - if not lose.

Of course...this is just speculation.

I don't see how. Couple that with the Shatterpoint ability, I see Mace defeating Bane.

Well...is the Shatterpoint ability allowed ? That might enable give Mace the edge over Bane. Still I don't see one of them taking down the other real fast. They both have some chance to win although I would actually more tend to give Bane the win here given his armor and the fact that he probably had dozens or even hundrets of lightsaber duells during his life.

i agree with Sith'ari and borbarad, bane would probably win but its not a sure win

Nai: Bane's head is completely unarmored and open, it wouldn't be altogether difficult to behead him and Bane was quite a latecomer to to the Sith. I'm not sure he was involved in the war much whatsoever. Certainly not at Ruusan. Most of the Brotherhood of Darkness were indeed members of the Jedi at once point: Kaan, Kopecz and Githany for one.

For lord's sake, you just need to look above Bane's shoulders to see a weakness, the man didn't let orbalisks near his head

er i will point out at this time windu is weak ANYWHERE, i see what your saying that Bane is largely unknown. But the things we know seem to point to the fast he was thewindu of his time, only darkside