No Conspiracy ?? are you kiddin ?!!

"The most powerful clique in these(CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government."
--Harpers Magazine, July 1958

Lucifer comes to give us the final gift to of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it's initiation into the New Age.
--David Spangler (UN), Reflections of the Christ(Findhorn Publications, 1977) p. 45

"The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine." (Albert Pike went on to proclaim), ... "Yes Lucifer is God ..."
--General Albert Pike [1809 ~ 1891] 33rd degree, Sovereign Grand Master of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, Co-Founder of the Ku Klux Klan
'Morals and Dogma' (Book: 1871)

Originally posted by David Tsarion
Lucifer comes to give us the final gift to of wholeness. If we accept it then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it's initiation into the New Age.
--David Spangler (UN), Reflections of the Christ(Findhorn Publications, 1977) p. 45

I hope people know that lucifer is not the devil and it conencides with illuminati sun worship.

The Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and has been a major player at the recent U.N. summits. Later, Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Mueller would credit the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject.
--Alice A. Bailey [1880 ~ 1949] in 'The Externalization of the Hierarchy' ( 1934)
Bailey: (Co-Mason[A female Freemason]) Creator of The Lucifer Trust (now discretely renamed 'The Lucis Trust'😉 and a Leading Disciple of Madam Blavatsky. Bailey is an Occultist, whose works are ''channeled'' from a spirit guide, the Tibetan Master Djwahl Kuhl. The Lucis Trust has a close consultative relationship with the U.N.

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."
--David Spangler, Director of PLANETARY INITIATIVE, (a United Nations World government group...He is of the Findhorn, Scotland New Age Crowd, like Robert Mueller of the United Nations)

Alice Bailey's tried her best to warn that her group was being taken over, I belive it was done by the fabian society.

"There exists in the world today, and has existed for thousands of years, a body of enlightened humans united in what might be termed an Order of the Quest. It is composed of those whose intellectual and spiritual perceptions have revealed to them that civilization has a secret destiny".
--Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree Freemason (Considered to be the Greatest Masonic Scholar of the 20th century, by the Scottish Rite Journal[largest Masonic Publication])

"Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for A PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the initiated few."

--Manly P. Hall 33rd degree Mason. 'The Secret Teachings of All Ages' , pp. XC & XCI (Book: 1928)

of course you guys could ignore all this and agree with the bright George Junior

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
--George W. Bush

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Alice Bailey's tried her best to warn that her group was being taken over, I belive it was done by the fabian society.

tsarion says she was from the fabians and she took over from blavatsky who was on ''our'' side.. but i disagree with him..both were nothing but pawns, tools, for the Rosicrucian elite aka the great white brotherhood.. thats one half of the structure its the hierachy wich controls the alternative movement, the renessaince.. the other half is the vatican powerstructure wich controlls the establishment.. but its importand to understand that both elite hierachies are part of he same brotherhood.. and yes they like to confuse and act like they oppose each other, and the lower echelons do buy it but the top knows the score..
both sides are controlled !! not just in american elections..

"It is the growing custom to narrow control,
concentrate power, disregard and disfranchise the public;
and assuming that certain powers by divine right
of money-raising or by sheer assumption,
have the power to do as they think best
without consulting the wisdom of mankind."
W. E. B. Du Bois
(1868-1963) Professor, Civil Rights Activist, NAACP Founding Member

"The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb.
This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated
by this banking and currency Bill."
Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.
(1859-1924) Congressman (R-MN), father of famous aviator

"Of all the means I know to lead men,
the most effectual is a concealed mystery.
The hankering of the mind is irresistible."
Adam Weishaupt
(1748-1830?) [Sparticus] Professor of Natural and Canon Law at Germany's Ingolstadt University, founded The Order of the Illuminati on May 1, 1776. - ''educated'' by Jesuits -

"The most wonderful thing of all is that the distinguished Lutheran and Calvinist theologians who belong to our order really believe that they see in it (Illuminati) the true and genuine sense of Christian Religion.

Oh mortal man, is there anything you cannot be made to believe?"

Adam Weishaupt upon establishing his "Order of the Illuminati", on May 1, 1776..

why didnt you put this in the thread i created?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f70/t415456.html

Originally posted by Deano
why didnt you put this in the thread i created?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f70/t415456.html

uh ?! I didn't really see that one..

Originally posted by David Tsarion
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination practiced in past centuries"
--David Rockefeller --

I agree

that just says it all about you that you agree with that corrupted man.The rockefellers are why this country is in a mess and you agree with him.Im beginning to think your a spokespiece for the rockfellers.You have the same delusions about government and logic they do. 🙄

Originally posted by David Tsarion
Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.'
-Woodrow Wilson- , The New Freedom (1913)

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes."
-- Felix Frankfurter, United States Supreme Court Justice

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an INvisible government owing NO allegiance and acknowledging NO responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.
" President Theodore Roosevelt, 1906

"We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent."
--James Paul Warburg, (Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, 1921 - 1932)
before the U.S. Senate, February 17, 1950

"The CFR [Council On Foreign Relations, New York City] is the American Branch of a society which originated in England and believes national directives should be obliterated and one-world rule established. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted in the early 1960's to examine its papers and secret records... I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known." --Dr. Carroll Quigley, Professor of International Relations, Georgetown University Foreign Service School, Washington, D.C., author of the epic "Tragedy & Hope", advocate of one-world government and personal mentor of President William Clinton (who acknowledged Professor Quigley during his 1992 presidential inauguration speech)

"The world is governed by people far different from those imagined by the public." - Benjamin Disraeli, Victorian-era Prime Minister of Britain

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas." -- Brock Chisolm, former Director of the World Health Organization

yeah I have that book tragedy and hope.I been meaning to get to around to reading it but never have.I want to though because Quigley goes into detail in that book how there is no difference between the republicans and democrats and how they sleep in bed together.Its not at all surprising to see that Quigley an advocate of one-world government was Clintons personal mentor.we both know Clinton like Bush,is a big fan of one world government.

btw david.wow!!! a LOT of great information there about the CFR. 👆