Originally posted by Mr Master
I know all about the Cosmics friend.Care to tell me what "new developments" your talking about?
well look at it this way. in the 1970s etc galactus was considered the most powerful being in the universe. but then lotsa things happened.
eternity came into play so did the beyonder.
galactus when he met eternity out of RESPECT turned into a star his REAL form. a star that would forever radiate. now thats not a GREAT power level is it. i mean then it was big but a star is meaningless nowadays. also in his develpmental stages a watcher could have killed him. the elders might have succeeded in killing him if it hadnt been for luck. the galactic corp DID kill him which trigerred the coming of abraxas showing that galactus is NOT nearly as essential as abstracts and the universe doesnt die without him. hes a bit like inbetweener{only a lil weaker} keeping BALANCE between the abstracts eternity and death. and well hes had way too many bad showings to be calling them PIS now not to mention hes been scared MANY TIMES by the likes of thor/invisible woman/blackbolt etc. currently at FULL power i dont see him doing more than destroying a few galaxies. it would be fair to say that his PURPOSE in the universe{balance between eternity and death} is far greater than his actual power.
point im making, back then yes maybe he might have been considered that powerful by SOME people, but not anymore.
and i dont know when he killed or devoured eternity. mind tellin me cause i mustv missed it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
mr master that scan is pretty old. lotsa new abstract level developments have happened from then on.
Really.
Let's check that out.
The Cosmics in 1984, during the Secret Wars 1 series (from where I got my Doom scans)
From left to right, the Watcher presents the Cosmics
Gardner
TOAA ( Celestial)
Master Hate (black figure with tentacles)
Chronos
Mistress Love (purple/maroon patch of energy)
Eternity
Lord Chaos
Living Tribunal
Master Order
And the In-Betweener is at the bottom speaking.
Mephisto is also there with Death at the bottom right.
The Cosmics in 1991, from the Infinity Gauntlet series
From left to right
Master Hate
Lord Chaos above
Chronos
TOAA (Celestial)
Mephisto (not a cosmic) & Eon are infront of TOAA
Galactus
Another Celestial
Stranger
Master Order above
Mistress Love
Eternity joins the group shortly after.
LT didn't get involved.
The Cosmics in 1998, from what if Impossible Man had the IG
From left to right
That other Celestial again
Stranger
Master Order
TOAA (Celestial)
Lord Chaos
Chronos
Epoch, who took over Eon's status
Mistress Love
Eternity behind her
Master Hate
the Watcher
Galactus
The Cosmics in 2006, from Last Planet Standing
From the top, clockwise
The Collector
Living Tribunal
In-Betweener
Stranger
Shaper of Worlds
Lord Chaos
Master Order
The Gardner
As you can see, these "new abstract level developments" are not taking place On Panel.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
galactus when he met eternity out of RESPECT turned into a star his REAL form. a star that would forever radiate. now thats not a GREAT power level is it.
He became pure energy cause it was the only way for Eternity to manifest before him in those days.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
also in his develpmental stages a watcher could have killed him.
Exactly, "in his develpmental stages"
Soon after he learned how to manipulate his power Cosmic, and that threat was no more.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the galactic corp DID kill him which trigerred the coming of abraxas showing that galactus is NOT nearly as essential as abstracts and the universe doesnt die without him.
When Galactus dies the Multi-verse begins to fold and it brings forth Abraxas, (the embodiment of destruction).
If Galactus dies, the Multi-verse collapses at the hands of Abraxas.
So big G is VERY essential
Originally posted by leonheartmm
hes a bit like inbetweener{only a lil weaker}
😆
But when they went toe to toe in Siver Surfer #28, they stalemated until they entered in the Magik Universe, where Order and Chaos imprisoned the In-betweener.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
currently at FULL power i dont see him doing more than destroying a few galaxies.
At FULL power he's equal to Eternity, can't argue with the on panel evidence.
This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's Ship.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it would be fair to say that his PURPOSE in the universe{balance between eternity and death} is far greater than his actual power.
I'll agree with this.
because his death WILL bring about the end of the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
point im making, back then yes maybe he might have been considered that powerful by SOME people, but not anymore.
He's as powerful as he's always been, since his inception till now,
At Full power he equals Eternity though.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and i dont know when he killed or devoured eternity. mind tellin me cause i mustv missed it.
I never said he devoured Eternity.
At Full power he becomes Eternity's equal, it happened already on panel.
yea his death WILL bring about the end of the universe but HIS POWER wont be the one responsible as abraxas is not constituted of HIS power. his PURPOSE is very great but his POWER{which is what were discussing} is NOT compareable. at FULL power, right after he has devoured a large enough planet and bloodlust the max he can do is destroy galaxies with his POWER. if he dies and ABRAXAS does the destroying than its the lack of galactus's PURPOSE which is responsible not his POWER. so no in POWER galactus is nowhere near an abstract. in PURPOSE he is near but not AT ETERNITY LEVEL. hes like a switch to a nuke. the nuke is useless without it and vice versa but remember that its the switch trigerring the nuke not the nuke triggering the switch to destroy so no he is NOT as important as eternity either.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yea his death WILL bring about the end of the universe but HIS POWER wont be the one responsible as abraxas is not constituted of HIS power.
Dude I never said Galactus can destroy the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
at FULL power, right after he has devoured a large enough planet and bloodlust the max he can do is destroy galaxies with his POWER.
No matter how many planets Galactus absorbs, it will NEVER make him Full power.
Only by absorbing his Ship, can Galactus become Full power.
"Perhaps the greatest Energy Source in the Universe"
Doom becoming Full Powered Galactus.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
so no in POWER galactus is nowhere near an abstract.
At Full power he's equal to greatest Abstract of them all, Eternity.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
in PURPOSE he is near but not AT ETERNITY LEVEL.
so no he is NOT as important as eternity either.
In purpose he's far beyond Eternity.
Eternity is ONE meaningless universe.
Galactus dies, and the ENTIRE MULITI-VERSE will begin to FOLD!
come on dude, saying galactus is more purposeful than eternity isnt true seeing as eternity MADE him in the first place and the imbalance is in ETERNITY and not in galactus. as i said before the switch is neede for the bomb but the bomb isnt needed for the switch reguardless of them being useless without the other. that statement is a plot device probably just like odin's punch ROCKING the entire multiverse etc.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nope not true. ion is around inbetweener power level. not the most powerful in any respect. prallex was much more powerful{the BEING which posessed hal and was after the spectar's power} he actually defeated spectar.
OG Ion could have unmade parallax easily. Even the Spectre agreed.
