could dooku ever become as powerful as sidious

well ok in the movies id say the coolest sith lord is count dooku and also what i like about him is that he is very intelligent and patient,

but i was wondering could he mave mastered the powers sidious did?
sidious didnt learn the ancient powers on his own but from holocrons this and that

and i think dooku could have done the same had he not been busy in the clone wars, like force storm(which i find the most intresting) force drain and lotsa others.

i also think dooku could have been and DE sidious level if he learned exactly what sidious did and also his lightsaber form

Originally posted by ESB Vader
[B]but i was wondering could he mave mastered the powers sidious did?

It's doubtful he could ever master them to the degree Sidious did, and it's even more unlikely he'd ever be able to produce a devastating effect.

sidious didnt learn the ancient powers on his own but from holocrons this and that

If he got them from holocrons - he learned them himself. There was no one to teach him how to master those techniques, yet he did.

How does that make any sense to say he "didn't learn them on his own? You can't just be instilled with powers x, y, and z. You have to learn them, you have to master them.

and i think dooku could have done the same had he not been busy in the clone wars,

Palpatine didn't even learn those techniques during the PT.

like force storm(which i find the most intresting) force drain and lotsa others.

As I said, no one could ever master them to the degree Sidious did. No one could ever produce as much of a devastating effect as Sidious (in the Dark Lord category that is). Sidious > Dooku in raw Force power. And there's more to the Force storm than just finding out about it.

I'm sure he could've learned about them, but so could Anakin, so could Darth Maul, and so on. Who cares?

i also think dooku could have been and DE sidious level if he learned exactly what sidious did and also his lightsaber form

No, he couldn't. Just learning the powers doesn't mean you'll be as powerful. Sorry. Sidious and Dooku both knew Force lightning. Hell, a nightsister, Mgheela, knew Force lightning. Out of those - who's lightning is the most powerful?

Answer: Sidious'. Why? Because he's more powerful in the Force. He has a better affinity for the Force. Dooku could never be on DE Sidious' level.

And Sidious' lightsaber form has absolutely jack shit to do with power. It depends solely upon the user to determine the skill with a blade. That is obvious even in our world. For example, one master of Aikido can beat another master of Aikido. It depends upon the practitioner themselves, not just learning the form.

i think Dooku spent decades of his life studying the force - the light side that is and mastered it to jedi master level like Yoda etc.
Sidious seems far more powerful cuz he was probably trained from childhood by Darth Plaguies and its only a matter of time before the book comes out and we find out how powerful he is - we already know he possibly has ability to cheat death etc. so he must have given Sids very high class training
So if Dooku was trained by that master sith maybe he could. Then again maybe Sid's potential is just higher because even though Dooku is older he still has not got the same telekinetic power etc. - can't move things as big and fast and his force lightning doesn't have as much impact [though this may just be because Dooku has been training in the dark side far less than Sids has]

advent y do u doubt dooku could never become as powerful as sidious?

I agree with that Advent guy.

As much as I find Sidious dull and boring, someone like Dooku could never match Sidious. Dooku is just one of Sidious' pawns, albeit an interesting one with a political agenda.

I think Advent is female

Bah, can't edit it now.

My mistake.

No.

Lucas confirmed in a Rolling Stone interview that Dooku didn't even have the potential to become as powerful as Palpatine.

That's the source I used to ultimately defeat the argument that transpired here, months ago, that Dooku was as powerful as Sidious.

He's not, and he never could be.

yeah, dooku was very powerful, but along with yoda sidious is the greatest force user in the pt/ot. dooku would be a second along with mace probably, but their far off being as freakishly good as yoda and sidious.

Originally posted by Escape81
No.

Lucas confirmed in a Rolling Stone interview that Dooku didn't even have the potential to become as powerful as Palpatine.

That's the source I used to ultimately defeat the argument that transpired here, months ago, that Dooku was as powerful as Sidious.

He's not, and he never could be.

Indeed. Well that settles that then... 😎

I tend to think of Dooku as being a whole league under Sidious.

Dooku was at his Peak in ROTS

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Dooku was at his Peak in ROTS

Thats a pretty bold statement. Im not arguing it but do you have any proof to back it up? I would like to know when excactly Dooku was at the height of his power.

I dont doubt that Dooku would have someday become as powerful as ROTS Sidious - but by that time Sidious himself would have increased in power several fold. Dooku and Sidious will never be equal in power at the same time.

Also I would put Yoda and Sids in a league of their own. Then Dooku, Mace and Anakin in a league below that (maybe Kenobi?) and then everyone else after that.

Well for 1 Sidious saying he would get an Apprentice Far more Younger and MORE POWERFUL, Dooku was like 80? He isn't likely to learn much more. I believe the Novelization said something along the lines of this too

well i agree, sigh maybe dooku could be as powerful as DE sidious if he was like 20 yrs old going down the path to master what sidious mastered

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Well for 1 Sidious saying he would get an Apprentice Far more Younger and MORE POWERFUL, Dooku was like 80? He isn't likely to learn much more. I believe the Novelization said something along the lines of this too

True. But him being 80 wouldnt hinder his abilty to become stronger I dont think. Who knows how much longer he would stay alive, perhaps 20 years, becasue its not like he was unfit or showed any signs of slowing down. So in 20 years there is a hell of alot he would be able to learn, get better at and master. Probably not in the physical aspects of life but certainly in terms of the force.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
True. But him being 80 wouldnt hinder his abilty to become stronger I dont think. Who knows how much longer he would stay alive, perhaps 20 years, becasue its not like he was unfit or showed any signs of slowing down. So in 20 years there is a hell of alot he would be able to learn, get better at and master. Probably not in the physical aspects of life but certainly in terms of the force.

well what if he was like 20 years old with the same mastery as he is at 80? then he goes 60 years down the road problably doing what sidious did learning force storms blahs and the ancient sith techniques?

hey well i mean if he was 20 going that all the way till he is 80 years old wouldnt that make him powerful? like learning the force storm at maybe 30 years old and mastering it,

if u talk about the movie dooku i think he is abit too old to learn anything sidious did

Originally posted by ESB Vader
[B]well what if he was like 20 years old with the same mastery as he is at 80? then he goes 60 years down the road problably doing what sidious did learning force storms blahs and the ancient sith techniques?

hey well i mean if he was 20 going that all the way till he is 80 years old wouldnt that make him powerful? like learning the force storm at maybe 30 years old and mastering it,

If Dooku was 20 years old, had all the same skills as the movies and still had 60+ years of training to go he would be friggin unstoppable. But he is 80 years old. This doesnt mean he cant learn new things, merely that he doesnt have enough time left to master certain abilties to the degree that Sidious has.

if u talk about the movie dooku i think he is abit too old to learn anything sidious did

Age itself is irrelevant. It just depends on how much time you have to learn and master the given technique.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
If Dooku was 20 years old, had all the same skills as the movies and still had 60+ years of training to go he would be friggin unstoppable. But he is 80 years old. This doesnt mean he cant learn new things, merely that he doesnt have enough time left to master certain abilties to the degree that Sidious has.

Age itself is irrelevant. It just depends on how much time you have to learn and master the given technique.

Well when he is 80 in the movies he is on par with Mace Windu and Anakin Skywalker. So if he had the same skills at 20 he would still be on par with them but this time have an extra 60+ years to build on that. I wouldnt be suprised if he reached the level of Yoda and Sidious.