how do you know it does not exist?
the new world order is a term used by many top politicians and it means to centralize power and create a one world government.
David Rockefeller:
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviet (Illuminati) Union.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f70/t415456.html
but maybe you are right kharma. maybe the plan doesnt exist.
Originally posted by Deano
but maybe you are right kharma. maybe the plan doesnt exist.
It would be impossible to keep such a plan secret, and once known any such plan would be moot.
I do however believe that many ignorantly rich businessmen, politicians, warlords and monarchies occasionally work with eachother in order to become even richer and f*ck the rest of the world as a result, but that hardly an organized conspiracey...that's just greed.
yes your right, they do want to **** us all over and get rich. but i believe it goes deeper than that.
every day we are moving closer and closer to everything the nwo is supposed to be about. every manipulated war, every fake terror plot, it all helps them, and if we cease to think for ourselves then we will get what we deserve. we will be in george orwells fantasy world,and sadly most people wont see the evil in it, they will accept it. like they are manipulated to accept everything else.
humanity has become lazy. 9/11 is a prime example of the majority of people who only want to hear one side of the story.
i hope someone proves that 9/11 was indeed just caused by the americans stupidity and that it was caveman bin laden who organized that atrocity. i wish the truth pointed that way. but it seems it is far more worse than anyone cud of realized, and its going to get worse..as you can see when you look around the world today. if people ignore the obvious and dont speak out, then we are truely doomed. but i think a lot of people are now starting to question the events of 9/11 and they know more needs to be explained. better late than never.
expect more problem reaction solution scenerios to come. this time i hope the public wont be as gullible.
Originally posted by Deano
if we cease to think for ourselves then we will get what we deserve. we will be in george orwells fantasy world,and sadly most people wont see the evil in it, they will accept it. like they are manipulated to accept everything else.
You ask people to think for themselves, but time and time again when your position is challenged you use the words and thoughts of others. Isn't this hypocritical?
Originally posted by Deano
humanity has become lazy. 9/11 is a prime example of the majority of people who only want to hear one side of the story.
I agree, humanity is lazy. It never became lazy, it was always lazy. As for the majority of people who only want to hear one side of the story regarding 9/11, I disagree. Many people are seking answers and are looking deeper into what happened, just because they do not agree with your sometimes outragious beliefs does not make them sheep or a collective who only believes one story.
Originally posted by Deano
i hope someone proves that 9/11 was indeed just caused by the americans stupidity and that it was caveman bin laden who organized that atrocity.
Right there you did something that many conspiracy theorists do and it really pisses me off. You try to paint a picture of the masses being ignorant and make it seem that you are privy to more information that others, but you made a severely misleading and ignorant remark in trying to emphasise your point that Bin Laden could not have planned such an attack. You call him a "caveman" when in fact he is a mand with INCREDIBLE influence and power with the disposal of many follower's (and allies'😉 cash quickly at hand.
Bin Laden attended a prestigious high school, studied civil engineering and business administration and earned a degrees in civil engineering, economics and public administration. He is far from a mere caveman. By painting such a picture you really discredit any furhter information you post as either incredibly biased or misinformed.
we are lazy because we have given are power and minds away.simple. shall we take em back and create a better world? is that posssible? yes it is, but THEY dont want it liek that. sorry to say
he is CIA. comon kharma. the evidence is overwhelming, 75% of the planes hit the targets and the air defence didnt do shit. bush said that they never could of envisioned terrorists flying planes into buildings but on that very day , drills were being held at the time of the attack, so bush isa lying scumbag..the drills were purposely held to distratc norad. just like the london bombings where drills were being held at the exact time of the explosions taking place. it just doesnt add up. if these rich people behind the scenes do want this tyranical new world order in place..which i believe they do..look around you, i think they would go to any lenghts to achieve there goal. when you control both sides it easy to manipulate wars.
Proof is only that which the conditioned mind accepts to be so. Billions are convinced that the official version of 9/11 is true because of the 'proof' revealed by the United States government. After all, didn't they find a passport from one of the hijackers that had miraculously survived the fireball to be found in the street? Well, actually, no they didn't because that was a ·lie. But the FBI named the 19 hijackers didn't they? No, they gave us 19 names, at least seven of which were found to be still alive. But they proved Bin Laden did it, surely? I heard them say that. Yes, exactly, we heard them say it and nothing more. They produced no 'proof' of anything, only the repetition of their fairy tale that billions accepted as 'proof'. It was those using their 'hearts', their intuition, who knew something was very wrong with the official version even before any further investigation had begun. Does what I reported in the last chapter 'feel' right intuitively even without 'scientific' support? Only you know if it feels right to you or not; you don't need some guy with a fancy title and letters after his name to tell you what to think. What does your heart say? That's all that matters. Second, the last thing I am trying to do is convince anyone of anything, that's not my intention or desire at all. So why bother doing what I do? I want to understand what is going on and I believe it is right that everyone should have access to all information available and not just the version that suits those in power.
http://www.bushstole04.com/911_fairy_tale_from_hell.htm
9/11 THE FAIRY TALE FROM HELL
Once upon a time there were 19 Magical Jihadists from a faraway land.
They used itsy-bitsy box cutters to terrify 8 professional airline pilots. These pilots were so terrified of getting a nasty boo-boo they actually let the Magical Jihadists fly 4 commercial aircraft loaded with innocent passengers.
Then the Magical Jihadists chanted a secret verse from their Koran making the planes disappear from all Air Traffic Control monitors.
Now they could fly them all around the mighty USA air defense
system, completely unbothered, for almost 2 hours.
Even the mighty Harry Potter on a magic carpet couldn’t find them!
Pretty cool, huh? You can read the rest of our government’s fantastic modern-day Fairy Tale, (which surpasses Alice In Wonderland for sheer nonsense), by downloadinga copy of the 9-11 Commission’s Official Report. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/.
But if you no longer believe in childish Fairy Tales and prefer the facts, then read thisbooklet detailing the grotesque truth about what really happened on 9-11. This information has been collected by thousands of regular people, not “Liberals”, not “Bush Haters”, but ordinary patriotic people with nothing to gain, and everything to lose.
CHAPTER ONE: Credible individuals that have come forward to expose the
government’s flimsy lies about the murderous attacks on 9-11, and by so doing; they put their careers, their lives, and their families at grave risk. These are brave actions selflessly taken by truly courageous patriots.
CHAPTER TWO: Twenty-one amazing and shocking facts about the attacks on 9-11 that have never been correctly reported, or just completely ignored by the mainstream media. Some items are outtakes of unguarded and unscripted live interviews and videos occurring immediately after the “attacks”, which were broadcast only once, never to be rebroadcast or discussed again.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
[B]Stopping the NWOYou cannot stop what doesn't exist. You do however give more power to the people who are actually screwing up the world by distracting attention away from the realities of their actions as opposed to the fictional entities which you seem to fear. [/B]
And, your sure of this?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
It would be impossible to keep such a plan secret, and once known any such plan would be moot.
It's a secret, where did you get that from?
Originally posted by Deano
we are lazy because we have given are power and minds away.
Speak for yourself. I choose to express myself and my own thoughts in my own words. You have not made the choice to do so.
Originally posted by Deano
he is CIA. comon kharma.
Who are you talking about here?
Originally posted by Deano
the evidence is overwhelming, 75% of the planes hit the targets and the air defence didnt do shit.
Evidence of what though? I believe that Bush was complicite in that he knew something was going to happen, but that he had no idea that it would be so huge. I do not believe that Bush and his administration engineered the attack or demolished the towers. I just believe that he was complicite due to inactivity. What do you see the evidence being proof of?
Originally posted by Deano
so bush isa lying scumbag
No argument here.
Originally posted by Deano
the drills were purposely held to distratc norad.
That is at best specualtion and at worst a total misconception.
But once again Deano, you have both chosen to use the words of others and also ignore an extremely important point that I made.
Please use your own words and ideas and also please address your Bin Laden/caveman remark and my retort to that comment and that comment's intent.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And, your sure of this?
Of what? That you cannot stop what doesn't exist? Or that you do however give more power to the people who are actually screwing up the world by distracting attention away from the realities of their actions as opposed to the fictional entities which you seem to fear?
I am quite sure of both of those statements. They are rather unarguable.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's a secret, where did you get that from?
My point exactly. The illuminati is supposed to be a secret, and powerful society that controls the world behind closed doors with no one's knowledge. Yet the concept is far from secret, thereby negating the whole theory.
Originally posted by KharmaDogOf what? That you cannot stop what doesn't exist? Or that you do however give more power to the people who are actually screwing up the world by distracting attention away from the realities of their actions as opposed to the fictional entities which you seem to fear?
I am quite sure of both of those statements. They are rather unarguable.
Just like your sure about everything you post, but whatever, believe what you like.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
My point exactly. The illuminati is supposed to be a secret, and powerful society that controls the world behind closed doors with no one's knowledge. Yet the concept is far from secret, thereby negating the whole theory.
I dunno where your getting the idea that there is one theory, with absolutely no variations. The Illuminati is not secret, it's not really even a group (exculding the bravarian illuminati).
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Just like your sure about everything you post, but whatever, believe what you like.
Why the unecessary dig? Don't you despise people who avoid making a point only to insult?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I dunno where your getting the idea that there is one theory, with absolutely no variations. The Illuminati is not secret, it's not really even a group (exculding the bravarian illuminati).
Illuminati can refer to any relious group who believe themselves to be enlightened. However, in respect to conspiracy theories and while discussed in such context, the Illuminati is often seen as the following:
(Because you seem to love wikepedia so much)
The Illuminati is the name of many groups, modern and historical, real and fictitious, verified and alleged. Most commonly The Illuminati refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment secret society. However,[B] it often refers to an alleged shadowy conspiratorial organization that controls world affairs behind the scenes, usually a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati.[B] Illuminati is sometimes used synonymously with New World Order.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Why the unecessary dig? Don't you despise people who avoid making a point only to insult?
I don't despise anybody, just like dislike certain actions. I a;ready explained my motives throughout my thread, no point repeating myself.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Illuminati can refer to any relious group who believe themselves to be enlightened. However, in respect to conspiracy theories and while discussed in such context, the Illuminati is often seen as the following:(Because you seem to love wikepedia so much)
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I don't despise anybody, just like dislike certain actions. I a;ready explained my motives throughout my thread, no point repeating myself.
You dislike certain actions but yet you initiated such an action. That does not make sense. You insulted me without provocation (an action which you dislike) and then you failed to answer my question or elaborate on your behaviour (which you often attack people for doing). I don't understand the rational.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Not all conspiracy theorist have the same view, you pretty much just defined the illuminati, in your former defintion.
Actually, the illuminati were defined in both the former and latter definitions. That is undebatable.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
You dislike certain actions but yet you initiated such an action. That does not make sense. You insulted me without provocation (an action which you dislike) and then you failed to answer my question or elaborate on your behaviour (which you often attack people for doing). I don't understand the rational.
Cry me a river KharmaDog, you intially,accused me of claiming bombs were the culprit of 911 and than called me a coward also, your such a hypocrite it's pathetic. I mean you complain, and whine,yet, continue to come here time and time again, just to post your little opiion and debate deano, you have a crush on him or something?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually, the illuminati were defined in both the former and latter definitions. That is undebatable.
That's nice.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Cry me a river KharmaDog, you intially,accused me of claiming bombs were the culprit of 911
Also don't forget how I took responsability for that mistake, apologized, and how you continue to raise that one incident at any moment that you can (no matter how irrelavant it is) neglecting to mention my acknowledgement of the mistake. Also don't forget to mention that you have not clearly stated your position on what happened on 9/11 or the fact that you seem incapabale of acknowledging the many times that you have misunderstood people or out rightly misprepresented their statements.
This trollish behaviour has to stop.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
and than called me a coward also,
I did not call you a coward. I said that you acted in a cowardly manner by avoiding an issue. There is a distinct difference.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
your such a hypocrite it's pathetic actually.
You are joking... right?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That's nice.
Instead of a flippant comment, you could just acknowledge that what I posted is correct.
Stop instigating flame wars and hostility, this behaviour will catch up with you.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Also don't forget how I took responsability for that mistake, apologized, and how you continue to raise that one incident at any moment that you can (no matter how irrelavant it is) neglecting to mention my acknowledgement of the mistake. Also don't forget to mention that you have not clearly stated your position on what happened on 9/11 or the fact that you seem incapabale of acknowledging the many times that you have misunderstood people or out rightly misprepresented their statements.This trollish behaviour has to stop.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I did not call you a coward. I said that you acted in a cowardly manner by avoiding an issue. There is a distinct difference.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
You are joking... right?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Instead of a flippant comment, you could just acknowledge that what I posted is correct.Stop instigating flame wars and hostility, this behaviour will catch up with you.
So, I guess it's true, you do have a crush on deano 😆
It explains so much, why would someone come to a thread like this all the time,how cute 🙂
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Actually, your the troll.
Look up the definition.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You also said it twice, you can make all the excuses you want.
It's not an excuse. It a basic understanding of the english language.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
KharmaDog, remember how I told you that your post are garbarge,yeah, can you take a hint?
How constructive.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, I guess it's true, you do have a crush on deano 😆It explains so much, why would someone come to a thread like this all the time,how cute 🙂
Once again, an incredibly well thought out retort.
Deano and I were actually having a worthwhile discussion. You have come in with insults and comments that not only insite flaming, but also avoid any answers to questions posted to you and derail the thread completely. That's what a troll does.
And you are reported.