Originally posted by xmarksthespot
LMAO at simultaneously decrying PIS in another thread while talking it up in this one. Tres consistent.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If a character does something consistently over a long period of time you cant call it PIS, if it was once or twice...then yes.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore im not saying the feats are not impressive [B]but he does not do it consistently enough to give him the majority. Maybe in JLA but certainly not in Batman comics so I could be wrong. [/B]
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I could beat Hulk with the Power Gem. It takes someone truly truly stupid to lose while wielding it. It even acts on the subconcious level and can be automatic also. In 'Blood and Thunder,' Dr. Strange (before he got neutered) and Adam Warlock both hit him with all they had and the Power Gem just made their attacks backfire on them. Seriously, it's the simplest Infinity Gem and has absolutely no drawbacks. The Reality Gem would probably make you mad, the Time Gem would probably send you spinning in time... but the Power Gem? Spite.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I could beat Hulk with the Power Gem. It takes someone truly truly stupid to lose while wielding it. It even acts on the subconcious level and can be automatic also. In 'Blood and Thunder,' Dr. Strange (before he got neutered) and Adam Warlock both hit him with all they had and the Power Gem just made their attacks backfire on them. Seriously, it's the simplest Infinity Gem and has absolutely no drawbacks. The Reality Gem would probably make you mad, the Time Gem would probably send you spinning in time... but the Power Gem? Spite.
Hmmm....
New thread! OneDumbGo w/ Power Gem vs. Hulk!
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Originally posted by ultimatethor
Really u can only make a fool out of urself and show ur inabiility to comprehend statements. I did not say that strength is the only consideration when fighting. You seem to think that Drax does not have super strength as well. Drax is superstrong( nearly a strong as hulk) without the power gem but evn with the gem amping his strength he was not that impressive. Captain America is not evn 1/1000000000 of a normal draxs strength. He may be loads more skillful but the his skill is not enough to stop a character that is physically on hulks level. All the times he has hurt hulk in the past are just PIS to the core and happend to much weaker versions of hulk than current WWH. The main question therefore is can the power gem amp captain americas strengh/ durability to a level high enough for his skill and strength to be able to overcome the hulk. The answer is definitely no. This is why i used the drax example. Drax with the gem amping his already great strength ws stalemating with a weaker hulk. Therefore it is unlikely that the gem will amp captain americas strengh high enough for his skill to play a major role against the hulks ver increasing strength/durability.( especially not WWH)Evn when thor had the gem, it did not amp his strength and other powers to a level high enough to beat thanos. Now thanos is strong and powerful but when you consider that thor was already 10 times as powerful as normal ( warrior madnss) and the gem could not amp an already extra powerful thor to a above thanos level, i think it is rather dissapointing.
whew thank god you saved yourself from sounding like a complete fool.. if only barely. Anyway enough about you back to the topic at hand.
The power gem is by definition "It contains access to all power and energy that ever has or will exist, backs the other gems and boosts their effects. It allows the user to duplicate almost any physical superhuman ability and become invincible." but you are saying a person is X strong and the gem times X that X by some arbitrary number like 100,000 or w/e. You believe in the definition or w/e.
I know teh showings of the power gem may be disappointing but maybe the people who had it simply did not know how to use it or w/e idk the reason maybe ts pis idk but the gem is one of the most powerful items of all MArvel universe.
Anyway say your right the gem does not give you rediculously amazing physical poweress but simply amps (multiplies) the user to a certain degree based on the user's existing strength which i do not believe btw. Anyway say it at least brings him at par with Hulk. If that is true think of it like this Hulk who doesn't train in countless number of martial arts and not only that is agile. CAp would not even if he was on par with hulk try to out brawl him. That is the path of most resitence. He would dodge, counter attack, use judo like moves (or anythig that would use the force of a enemy on himself). He would simply out class him in combat w/ the gem.
anyway Cap ftw! 💃
Originally posted by Lord Feron
whew thank god you saved yourself from sounding like a complete fool.. if only barely. Anyway enough about you back to the topic at hand.The power gem is by definition "It contains access to all power and energy that ever has or will exist, backs the other gems and boosts their effects. It allows the user to duplicate almost any physical superhuman ability and become invincible." but you are saying a person is X strong and the gem times X that X by some arbitrary number like 100,000 or w/e. You believe in the definition or w/e.
I know teh showings of the power gem may be disappointing but maybe the people who had it simply did not know how to use it or w/e idk the reason maybe ts pis idk but the gem is one of the most powerful items of all MArvel universe.
Anyway say your right the gem does not give you rediculously amazing physical poweress but simply amps (multiplies) the user to a certain degree based on the user's existing strength which i do not believe btw. Anyway say it at least brings him at par with Hulk. If that is true think of it like this Hulk who doesn't train in countless number of martial arts and not only that is agile. CAp would not even if he was on par with hulk try to out brawl him. That is the path of most resitence. He would dodge, counter attack, use judo like moves (or anythig that would use the force of a enemy on himself). He would simply out class him in combat w/ the gem.
anyway Cap ftw! 💃
Um id advise you to stop this whole fool talk before you end up looking like one. By definition the power gem should make the user at least skyfather level and probabaly far above that. I mean all power in the universe that will evr exist? Making a person invinvible? It certainly did not do that with thor or Drax when they had it. An already amped thor with gem could not take out thanos. On the regular thanos is physically superior to thor obviously but he is not light years away. For thor while already ten times more powerful while with the power gem to lose to thanos means either of two things.
Firstly it could mean that thanos is so far ahead of thor that evn with the power gem he cant reach thanos level or secondly the level of invinvibility that the power gem gives is really not that much( at least from its showings). Id take the seond option because though thanos is far more powerful than thor, he certainly is not light years ahead of him as that story implied.
Now going to the drax incident, this is once again a terrible showing for the gem, because drax with the gem should really have been able to one shot the hulk. Though the hulk did admit that drax was easily as strong as he was, This is once again not impressive as normally drax is already almost as strong as hulk and going by the definition the gem should have made him invincible and therefore not evn close to the hulks level.
Now i know that the next argument is that both drax and thor might have not been using the gems power properly but there is no indication that captain america will be able to do any better than them as he is certainly not accustomed to that kind of power anyway.
So let me use the second theory that at least if you cant use the gem properly u wont have access to its full power and can only expect ur power to be amped to a specific level based on ur original power level.( Proof of this can be seen in the drax and thor examples as both of them only got their powers amped to a given level based on their original power levels which is the reason why thor with the gem was more powerful dan drax with gem). If this is so then we really cannot no how powerful cap with the gem will be and evn if he gets initially to hulk levels of strength he would have to be able to continuously amp his stats in order to match with the hulks ever increasing strength and Durability because his static skil level will certainly not suffice.
Therefore my argument is not that it is not possible for cap with the power gem to win but that given the gems mixed history we cant be sure of what level cap will be with the gem or how much of its power he will be able to access and it is based on this ambguity that i say WWH wins
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Um id advise you to stop this whole fool talk before you end up looking like one. By definition the power gem should make the user at least skyfather level and probabaly far above that. I mean all power in the universe that will evr exist? Making a person invinvible? It certainly did not do that with thor or Drax when they had it. An already amped thor with gem could not take out thanos. On the regular thanos is physically superior to thor obviously but he is not light years away. For thor while already ten times more powerful while with the power gem to lose to thanos means either of two things.
Firstly it could mean that thanos is so far ahead of thor that evn with the power gem he cant reach thanos level or secondly the level of invinvibility that the power gem gives is really not that much( at least from its showings). Id take the seond option because though thanos is far more powerful than thor, he certainly is not light years ahead of him as that story implied.Now going to the drax incident, this is once again a terrible showing for the gem, because drax with the gem should really have been able to one shot the hulk. Though the hulk did admit that drax was easily as strong as he was, This is once again not impressive as normally drax is already almost as strong as hulk and going by the definition the gem should have made him invincible and therefore not evn close to the hulks level.
Now i know that the next argument is that both drax and thor might have not been using the gems power properly but there is no indication that captain america will be able to do any better than them as he is certainly not accustomed to that kind of power anyway.
So let me use the second theory that at least if you cant use the gem properly u wont have access to its full power and can only expect ur power to be amped to a specific level based on ur original power level.( Proof of this can be seen in the drax and thor examples as both of them only got their powers amped to a given level based on their original power levels which is the reason why thor with the gem was more powerful dan drax with gem). If this is so then we really cannot no how powerful cap with the gem will be and evn if he gets initially to hulk levels of strength he would have to be able to continuously amp his stats in order to match with the hulks ever increasing strength and Durability because his static skil level will certainly not suffice.
Therefore my argument is not that it is not possible for cap with the power gem to win but that given the gems mixed history we cant be sure of what level cap will be with the gem or how much of its power he will be able to access and it is based on this ambguity that i say WWH wins
The most likely conlcusion is that Cap will become class 10 or something. People who get the power gem get a significant boost but not a masive boost.
Hell Champion thought the power gem didnt even work. As Thanos stated some of the Elders did not know how to use the gem properly and were only using it on a sub-conscious level. The space gem for starters didnt make Runner faster.
Inifnity gem will boost anybody that uses it but unless you know how to use it properly you will not get a massive boost.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Um id advise you to stop this whole fool talk before you end up looking like one. By definition the power gem should make the user at least skyfather level and probabaly far above that. I mean all power in the universe that will evr exist? Making a person invinvible? It certainly did not do that with thor or Drax when they had it. An already amped thor with gem could not take out thanos. On the regular thanos is physically superior to thor obviously but he is not light years away. For thor while already ten times more powerful while with the power gem to lose to thanos means either of two things.
Firstly it could mean that thanos is so far ahead of thor that evn with the power gem he cant reach thanos level or secondly the level of invinvibility that the power gem gives is really not that much( at least from its showings). Id take the seond option because though thanos is far more powerful than thor, he certainly is not light years ahead of him as that story implied.Now going to the drax incident, this is once again a terrible showing for the gem, because drax with the gem should really have been able to one shot the hulk. Though the hulk did admit that drax was easily as strong as he was, This is once again not impressive as normally drax is already almost as strong as hulk and going by the definition the gem should have made him invincible and therefore not evn close to the hulks level.
Now i know that the next argument is that both drax and thor might have not been using the gems power properly but there is no indication that captain america will be able to do any better than them as he is certainly not accustomed to that kind of power anyway.
So let me use the second theory that at least if you cant use the gem properly u wont have access to its full power and can only expect ur power to be amped to a specific level based on ur original power level.( Proof of this can be seen in the drax and thor examples as both of them only got their powers amped to a given level based on their original power levels which is the reason why thor with the gem was more powerful dan drax with gem). If this is so then we really cannot no how powerful cap with the gem will be and evn if he gets initially to hulk levels of strength he would have to be able to continuously amp his stats in order to match with the hulks ever increasing strength and Durability because his static skil level will certainly not suffice.
Therefore my argument is not that it is not possible for cap with the power gem to win but that given the gems mixed history we cant be sure of what level cap will be with the gem or how much of its power he will be able to access and it is based on this ambguity that i say WWH wins
Hmmm I think we kinda agree on some things you have said on the way the gem works. Bah i think they should change the description of the gem to (user times the power of the gem = new user strength) and not that other definition that seemingly makes a user skyfather level. It would make more sense due to its showings despite its odd showing.
You did bring a good point which i totally forgot to calculate in if teh gem does bring the power level on par with hulk per say and cap's skill lvl is great but "static." I know cap was not accustomed to that sort of power but who really is.? hmmm
Maybe One may need the other gems combined to get full access to the Power gem... hmmmm interesting. Anyway if the gem brings cap to said level which may be on par with hulk he has to put down the hulk very quickly before Hulk gets stronger and more durable but i know even with the gem there will be no one shotting of the hulk by cap. Hmmm unless the gem constantly increases the users power but there is no evidence that suggest that.
I agree with you last paragraph maybe minus the Hulk winning part
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Hmm the thred does not stipulate Cap has full mastery of the gem which what seems to boil down to but let me ask you this guys if Cap did have full access and control of the Power gem should he lose still? Even then i think its hard to discern b/c Drax and Thor and Champion was never said to have mastered the gem and like Phantom Zone said Champion didn't even think it worked. I' guessing that the only way to know is to look at the physical feats of IG user and see whats up. Then another problem tho the other gems like Reality and mind may combined with power to simulate physical feats.
(continue to ponder)