Anti Moniter vs. Dark Pheonix · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Basti0n
LOL
why dont you actually read the comics
In the Dark Phoenix Saga, nothing they coudl do could stop her.
she activated a device on the moon and allowed her self to be killed.
In x-men 154. you ever actually read it? She holds the entire 616 universe in her hands. she can burn it all away if she chooses. Thats actually the purpose of the Phoenix, to burn away whats it feels doesnt work.
Name an issue where she is defeated without allowing it and we'll see.
In Crisis on Infinate Earths 12# Dr Light blasts him he falls over, they think hes dead he gets back up and Superman prime punches him and kills him.
Go by the issues not your own opinion

Nothing? or the x-men and shiar?
No she actually held an orphan universe into her hands, and healed it.

I'de name an issue but you would say she was holding back, theres scans where the phoenix force gets driven back by a sissy x-men team.
Thats not the purpose of the phoenix, she not a destroyer, thats her other half.
No body gets beaten about 10 times, and eery tie they wanted to be beaten.
And your obviosly bias towards Am, or your just plain overating phoenix, you decide!

Creshosk Senior Member

Dark Phoenix is just a mortal shell, and avatar of the phoenix force who yes was quite limited to the 616 universe.

Hmm... she's powerful, but in this fight I see AM taking it.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Basti0n
LOL
why dont you actually read the comics
In the Dark Phoenix Saga, nothing they coudl do could stop her.
she activated a device on the moon and allowed her self to be killed.
In x-men 154. you ever actually read it? She holds the entire 616 universe in her hands. she can burn it all away if she chooses. Thats actually the purpose of the Phoenix, to burn away whats it feels doesnt work.
Name an issue where she is defeated without allowing it and we'll see.
In Crisis on Infinate Earths 12# Dr Light blasts him he falls over, they think hes dead he gets back up and Superman prime punches him and kills him.
Go by the issues not your own opinion

That wasn't Dark Phoenix. That was the phoenix force's white crown avatar in the core of cration.

Basti0n Restricted

So? if Dark Phoenix IS defeated she becomes the white crown form. its all the same thing, if he did somehow manage to take our Dark Phoenix she would ascend to her white crown stage and wipe him out.

Go by the issues. not the fact that you hate the phoenix the way Marvel made her.

And no Anti-monitor is my fave villian in DC, I have his action figure on my desk.

The phoenix cannot ever be permanently destoryed. Anti-monitor was.

Just look at it objectively

Basti0n Restricted

adn they have only faced the Dark Phoenix 4 times

1) The Dark Phoenix Saga
2) From the Ashes
3) X-men vs Teen titans
4) Phoenix Endsong

and In none of these cases did they defeat her without her allowing it.

and in X-men 154# when she holds the 616 universe in her hands and they reveal the purpose of the Phoenix is to burn away what doesnt work, she looks closer to Dark Phoenix in appearance.

Anti-Monitor was strong. bu not the most powerful, Parallax would beat him simply by ereasing him from time.

Just read Crisis #12

go by the issues not opinion to back it up.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Basti0n
So? if Dark Phoenix IS defeated she becomes the white crown form. its all the same thing, if he did somehow manage to take our Dark Phoenix she would ascend to her white crown stage and wipe him out.
Go by the issues. not the fact that you hate the phoenix the way Marvel made her.
And no Anti-monitor is my fave villian in DC, I have his action figure on my desk.
The phoenix cannot ever be permanently destoryed. Anti-monitor was.
Just look at it objectively

Oh, I know when I've been beaten. Damn I wish I thought of that before.
Well, then heres my arguement.
It's not my fault DC made Anti-moniter, a reality destroyer, that can take on a seriously pissed off Spectre.
Every bad character gets defeated, are you seriously going to use that?!?!?!?
and ah, but Phoenix can be destroyed! Just not permantly!
You don't have to kill a character to win a fight.

Basti0n Restricted

Spectre could beat her

Parallax could hold her off for awhile.

Extant could run away from her into the time line

but Anti monitor has no way to beat her, she;ll just come back.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Basti0n
adn they have only faced the Dark Phoenix 4 times
1) The Dark Phoenix Saga
2) From the Ashes
3) X-men vs Teen titans
4) Phoenix Endsong
and In none of these cases did they defeat her without her allowing it.
and in X-men 154# when she holds the 616 universe in her hands and they reveal the purpose of the Phoenix is to burn away what doesnt work, she looks closer to Dark Phoenix in appearance.
Anti-Monitor was strong. bu not the most powerful, Parallax would beat him simply by ereasing him from time.
Just read Crisis #12
go by the issues not opinion to back it up.

Number 3 is not a canon comic.

It took Spectre to cause Anti-Monitor's defeat. The heros would never have been able to alone.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Basti0n
Spectre could beat her
Parallax could hold her off for awhile.
Extant could run away from her into the time line
but Anti monitor has no way to beat her, she;ll just come back.

What are you talking about? Phoenix doesn't cum back in the blink of an eye.
But you beat me with your amazing " it's not my fault marvel made her that way!"
Since that is the best defense I have ever heard, I'm going to post somewhere else.
scared

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Basti0n
So? if Dark Phoenix IS defeated she becomes the white crown form.

And that would end this hypothetical fight with Aniti-monitor defeating Dark Phoenix.

Originally posted by Basti0n
its all the same thing,

Different avatars are basically different characters, with different powers and different limitations.

We are discussing the Dark Phoenix avatar of the Phoenix Force. Not the Phoenix Force, nor the White Crown avatar of the phoenix force.

Originally posted by Basti0n
if he did somehow manage to take our Dark Phoenix she would ascend to her white crown stage and wipe him out.

Not in this fight she wouldn't. once defeated the fight is over.

Originally posted by Basti0n
Go by the issues. not the fact that you hate the phoenix the way Marvel made her.

YES! SCORE!

Now I've been accused of being a GS prodigy AND a Phoenix hater... I am now a neutral on the subject.

Originally posted by Basti0n
And no Anti-monitor is my fave villian in DC, I have his action figure on my desk.

Never said you don't like him.

Originally posted by Basti0n
The phoenix cannot ever be permanently destoryed.

Correct. Because its the energy source by which TOAA makes stuff... Though people confuse the energy source with quite a number of the physical representations of it.

Originally posted by Basti0n
Anti-monitor was.

Phoenix force is not being discussedi n this fight.

Originally posted by Basti0n
Just look at it objectively

I am...

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Juntai
Number 3 is not a canon comic.
It took Spectre to cause Anti-Monitor's defeat. The heros would never have been able to alone.

Already said this, but it was ignored.

Basti0n Restricted

lol you act like im making it this way on purpose.

I go by what happens in the issues, grow up.

Basti0n Restricted

Just go by what happens in the issues and only that.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Basti0n
lol you act like im making it this way on purpose.
I go by what happens in the issues, grow up.

Unfortunatly you're not blancing this with the rules of the forum and other rules of the Marvelverse.

The Dark Phoenix avatar was killed by a shi'ar laser bolt when it was time for the avatar to return.

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin

Simple Answer:

Pre-Morrison Retcon: Anti-Monitor in a curbstomp.

Post-Morrison Retcon: The one with a crown...

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unfortunatly you're not blancing this with the rules of the forum and other rules of the Marvelverse.
The Dark Phoenix avatar was killed by a shi'ar laser bolt when it was time for the avatar to return.

Meanwhile it took Spectre destroying and recreating the multiverse to begin the downfall of Anti-Monitor. Next time we saw him, he was weakened to the point where defeat was possible, whereas before, he was walking through characters that could destroy universes with ease.

Basti0n Restricted

Read X-Men 154#

and

X-men Forever

then we'll talk

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Basti0n
lol you act like im making it this way on purpose.
I go by what happens in the issues, grow up.

Grow up, why?
why, because you say so!
Fine I might as well take your advice and grow up!

And you are making it this way on purpose!! What does, its not my fault marvel made her this way on purpose supposed to do?
I too go by issues, but you go by one bubble, and the now famous, it's not my way... defense.

Your bringing it up, therefore you have been doing this on purpose.
You have copletely ignored that AM fought a Amped up Spectre, and the only thing you can do is say she can't be destroyed permantly.
And your also ignoring that darkseid used his apok tech to hurt Am, and then he got tooken out.

Basti0n Restricted

lol

Again Read

X-men 154#

and X-men Forever and you'll understand the scope of her power.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Basti0n
lol
Again Read
X-men 154#
and X-men Forever and you'll understand the scope of her power.

I know the scope of her power, and its nothing to a reality destroying, spectre fighting, guy.
Here I'll give you something I know you'll love.
Spite thread......closing.