Anti Moniter vs. Dark Pheonix · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Galan777 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Laugh all you want.
AM and Phoenix would be a really good fight but AM wins everytime.

I was laughing at the fact that you are still comparing AM to Spectre. I really dont feel like posting scans that would show you that spectre dosent need any outside power to beat anyone..... he is a part of god, he is gods own wrath..... do you honestly think AM on any level could compete with Spectre if it wasnt for PIS?

Ext@nt Restricted

Well we will never agree on that.

As for the fight, Will you concede that AM would beat the phoenix.

(Hold on people the war may be over here)

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well we will never agree on that.
As for the fight, Will you concede that AM would beat the phoenix.
(Hold on people the war may be over here)

No, I'll agree that the result is inconclusive, because it is. We're talking about two being that are just under Eternity in power, and both of them have a limited number of appearances, so the result is in no way definite.

Big Sexy Super Fighting Robot

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, I'll agree that the result is inconclusive, because it is. We're talking about two being that are just under Eternity in power, and both of them have a limited number of appearances, so the result is in no way definite.

Agreed.

Ext@nt Restricted

Sorry you see it that way.

Phoenix could in no way stand up to the AM.

And we are never going to agree one this.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Sorry you see it that way.
Phoenix could in no way stand up to the AM.
And we are never going to agree one this.

Of course we'll never agree, because you are unable to accept proof that goes against your OPINION, even when it's spoon fed to you. You've yet to provide a single scan or anything that resembles proof to light to back up your claim, other than a PIS fight with the Spectre, that made absolutely NO SENSE. You keep referring to something that happened in ONE book of the series as absolute evidence, while everything I've provided has been supported in multiple issue's of the story arc. So your basically claiming that the ONE book that the fight between the two happened in is right, and every other issue of the book is wrong.

Ext@nt Restricted

No but the AM's power was at different levels during the series. It's really not that hard to understand.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
No but the AM's power was at different levels during the series. It's really not that hard to understand.

Actually, AM's level of power remained pretty much constant after he actually appeared. The only real power up he got was when he absorbed the Anti Matter universe, which was less powerful than a standard universe. The fact that the Anti Matter Universe itself was less powerful than a standard universe, is the reason why Eternity is more powerful.

Ext@nt Restricted

Actually as the Monitor stated in issue 5 or 6 I believe is that with each universe he cosumed he became even stronger as Monitor became weaker. It was when he explained their origin.

Would you say Krona is stronger then AM?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Actually as the Monitor stated in issue 5 or 6 I believe is that with each universe he cosumed he became even stronger as Monitor became weaker. It was when he explained their origin.
Would you say Krona is stronger then AM?

He didn't consume any universe other than the Anti Matter Universe. All he did was destroy the other universes(with tech), and when he did, the Anti Matter Universe would increase in overall power. But it(and the universes he destroyed), were weaker than a standard universe.

And I'm not sure about Krona, I got into the whole series because I wanted to find out just how powerful AM was. But his showings in JLA/Avengers were impressive.

Ext@nt Restricted

Okay I still say he takes the Phoenix.

Where on the cosmic ladder would you place the following people.

Krona
Korvac
The Uni-Power

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Okay I still say he takes the Phoenix.
Where on the cosmic ladder would you place the following people.
Krona
Korvac
The Uni-Power

Hey, he MIGHT in fact be able to take Phoenix, I never denied that, I just said I wasn't sure because they're both just under Eternity in power.

I'm still studying up on the cosmics, and haven't gotten around to all of them, so I can't really rank those guys until I get around to studying them, but you might ask Mr. M.

Ext@nt Restricted

I pmd him he hasn't gotten back to me. And to be honest I think we have exhausted this debate. We will never see eye to eye on it and its not really accomplishing anything. So I will be the bigger man and let it go undecided for now.

darthgoober Senior Member

If that's what you want to do...

Ultraman Baltan Restricted

Bump.

ExtraMision5555 SKELLETIL RESARCH

I have a question, this is off topic but it does relate to Phoenix.
becuase that whole thing confuses me

My friends got into a debate and one of my freinds asked me if Phoenix could kill the majority of Jedis in the star wars universe, not all at the same time, but like any jedi vs phoenix, who would win. And i speciffically mean phoenix. I didnt know how to answer because all that phoenix force/phoenix/dark phoenix sutff confuses me and Phoenix has strange showings.

What is the extent of phoenix'es powers? and could she infact defeat most jedi? some insight would be extremely appreciated

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I have a question, this is off topic but it does relate to Phoenix.
becuase that whole thing confuses me
My friends got into a debate and one of my freinds asked me if Phoenix could kill the majority of Jedis in the star wars universe, not all at the same time, but like any jedi vs phoenix, who would win. And i speciffically mean phoenix. I didnt know how to answer because all that phoenix force/phoenix/dark phoenix sutff confuses me and Phoenix has strange showings.
What is the extent of phoenix'es powers? and could she infact defeat most jedi? some insight would be extremely appreciated

I've heard the Jedi in the comics actually pulled some insane stunts, so I don't really know about them. But if you go buy the movies then yeah, Phoenix would beat pretty much any Jedi.

bigbran Dead

Nah Dark Phoenix would lose.
Darth, if this were WPOTC, than it could go anywhere.
Probably still give it to AM.
She is a tough character, but she often gets bitten in the ass by people who overate her, or underate her.
I think that GS kind of ruined her to most. (no offense, but I have seen that thread)
But, I think she could be an ok character when they actually get her out of X-Men, and put her in events like Annihilation or something.
I think that, they can't really give her that many good showings by making her attached to the X-Men. Like, if she goes mad, you know the Shi'ar, or the X-Men are going to do something.
Put her in a Strange book. Put her in an event.
To be honest, I think that is where a lot of people don't like Phoenix from. The X-Men are good books. I just don't think people can see past a being like her, supposedly so high up, with people like Cyke.
Like I said, put her in the next big Marvel event.

Anyway, that was kind of irrelevent, wasn't it? The full Force could stand a chance (maybe, still probably doubt it) but I don't see DP doing too much. AM is a beast.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by bigbran
Nah Dark Phoenix would lose.
Darth, if this were WPOTC, than it could go anywhere.
Probably still give it to AM.
She is a tough character, but she often gets bitten in the ass by people who overate her, or underate her.
I think that GS kind of ruined her to most. (no offense, but I have seen that thread)
But, I think she could be an ok character when they actually get her out of X-Men, and put her in events like Annihilation or something.
I think that, they can't really give her that many good showings by making her attached to the X-Men. Like, if she goes mad, you know the Shi'ar, or the X-Men are going to do something.
Put her in a Strange book. Put her in an event.
To be honest, I think that is where a lot of people don't like Phoenix from. The X-Men are good books. I just don't think people can see past a being like her, supposedly so high up, with people like Cyke.
Like I said, put her in the next big Marvel event.
Anyway, that was kind of irrelevent, wasn't it? The full Force could stand a chance (maybe, still probably doubt it) but I don't see DP doing too much. AM is a beast.

Hey, I said from the get go that DP would lose. I was just arguing that White Crown and AM were in the same power catagory. See...

Originally posted by darthgoober
White Crown would actually be a good match IMO, but DP doesn't have that level of power, so AM takes it.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey, I said from the get go that DP would lose. I was just arguing that White Crown and AM were in the same power catagory. See...

Oh well, didn't really want to look through the whole thread.
Still, though. The thread is with DP, so I figured you were talking about her.
I also didn't want to sift through the name calling, and fanboy things, just to see a winner.