Originally posted by AlfheimSo you think a normal human with a cybernetic arm is faster than Wolverine? Wolverine has superhuman speed and i am done with this because you obviously just want to argue with no kind of comic book character knowledge. 😆
What do you mean whats your proof. I already showed you scans of Frank shooting Wolverine while running.You said Wolverine was faster than Bucky, now you cant porve anything you wanna turn it back to me.
http://img45.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=99673_buckyvcastle4_122_986lo.jpg
Try it again.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
That didn't work either. Same thing.
Well anyway the scans show WS breaking Franks arm.
WS throws Frank, Frank almost lands on his feet but WS pushes Frank to the ground. It ends up with WS hand to Franks throat and, Frank with his gun to WS throat. WS decides to back down after Frank bascally tells him to "look into his eyes and see if hes is messing"
Originally posted by iceman24567
So you think a normal human with a cybernetic arm is faster than Wolverine? Wolverine has superhuman speed and i am done with this because you obviously just want to argue with no kind of comic book character knowledge. 😆
*sigh* WS is a normal human? Er there are scans of Wolverine vs WS in the Wolverine forum they dont work but there are alot of them, it seems that he might have done quite well.
Originally posted by AlfheimYes he isn't even peak human the arm gives him the edge but he is still a normal human by all means. Do you really think he is even close to Wolverine level physically?
Well anyway the scans show WS breaking Franks arm.
WS throws Frank, Frank almost lands on his feet but WS pushes Frank to the ground. It ends up with WS hand to Franks throat and, Frank with his gun to WS throat. WS decides to back down after Frank bascally tells him to "look into his eyes and see if hes is messing"*sigh* WS is a norml human?
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes he isn't even peak human the arm gives him the edge but he is still a normal human by all means. Do you really think he is even close to Wolverine level physically?
Look your just telling me that Wolverine is faster but your not providing any evidence. These classifications of peak and enhanced dont always mean anything.
I mean hell Frank in those scans was punching Wolverine up and he was already injured in the leg. WS is most likely better trained than Frank. Even if he isnt as fast as Wolverine his arm makes up for the difference.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou are such a hypocrite. You say Winter Soldier is most likely better trained than Frank where is your evidence? I assumed i didn't need to show you basic knowledge about characters but i guess i do huh? No his Cybernetic arm doesn't make up for the rest of his body being below Wolverines physically. These classifications do mean something don't be ignorant. Peak humans are stronger, faster and physically better than normal humans like Winter Soldier. Bucky stated himself Captain America was 3 times stronger and faster than him i guess the classification means something. Physically Wolverine > Bucky in everyway that is fact not even opinion.
Look your just telling me that Wolverine is faster but your not providing any evidence. These classifications of peak and enhanced dont always mean anything.I mean hell Frank in those scans was punching Wolverine up and he was already injured in the leg. WS is most likely better trained than Frank. Even if he isnt as fast as Wolverine his arm makes up for the difference.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Uh it's clear that Bruce martial arts skill>Steve Roger's
Really? Ive seen scans of Bruce saying that Steve was almost his superior nbot sure if Ican find them though.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
and add the enhanced durability given from the Nomex Survival Batsuit and the Utility Belt and yes it's about that. ✅
Cap has KOed Namor. Namor > Nomex suit. yes the utility belt will help.
Originally posted by iceman24567
You are such a hypocrite.
Get a grip.
Originally posted by iceman24567
You say Winter Soldier is most likely better trained than Frank where is your evidence?
Because he was trained by Captain America....and thats why I said most likely ie good possibility but may not be true. WS also posibly has even more experience than Frank. This does not defintely make him better but I think that probably will make him superior.
Hell even if you look at that fight WS was doing better than Frank.
Originally posted by iceman24567I assumed i didn't need to show you basic knowledge about characters but i guess i do huh? No his Cybernetic arm doesn't make up for the rest of his body being below Wolverines physically. These classifications do mean something don't be ignorant. Peak humans are stronger, faster and physically better than normal humans like Winter Soldier. Bucky stated himself Captain America was 3 times stronger and faster than him i guess the classification means something. Physically Wolverine > Bucky in everyway that is fact not even opinion.
Well alot of people on this forum think that Cap ais faster than Wolverine so that dont mean a dman thing. He also did not state how much faster. Anyway it doesnt even matter because on street level people who arent even described as peak have been shown to keep up with enhanced people....like I said an injured Punisher was punching up Wolverine....accorinding to your logic he would have got stomped.
Anyway here are the scans of Wolverine vs WS...they dont work but there are alot of them
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky1.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky2.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky3.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky4.jpg
http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky5.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky6.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky7.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky8.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky9.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.ph...oganbucky10.jpg
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php...oganbucky11.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.ph...oganbucky12.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php...oganbucky13.jpg
Well i'll pm the guy to see if he has them.....but those are alot of scans.....
"Really? Ive seen scans of Bruce saying that Steve was almost his superior nbot sure if Ican find them though."
Umm I think Bruce was reffering to in a H2H fight(no help, prep, gadgets, shield) "it is concievable" that Cap would beat him. That's due to the SSS not martial arts skill. Plus Crossovers aren't a reliable canon source. 😬
"Cap has KOed Namor. Namor > Nomex suit. yes the utility belt will help."
And Batman's "batkick" made the Spectre bleed. Batman has on numerous times taken shots from Superman and Wonder Woman and also a energy beam from Hal Jordan. 😐
Originally posted by Darth Martin
"Really? Ive seen scans of Bruce saying that Steve was almost his superior nbot sure if Ican find them though."Umm I think Bruce was reffering to in a H2H fight(no help, prep, gadgets, shield) "it is concievable" that Cap would beat him. That's due to the SSS not martial arts skill. Plus Crossovers aren't a reliable canon source. 😬
Well what did you say?
[QUOTE=10160572]Originally posted by Darth Martin
[B]Uh it's clear that Bruce martial arts skill>Steve Roger's
You were refering to H2H. Well ok apparently in the canon source the writers stated that Cap was supposed to be superior to Bruce.
"Cap has KOed Namor. Namor > Nomex suit. yes the utility belt will help."
Originally posted by Darth Martin
And Batman's "batkick" made the Spectre bleed. Batman has on numerous times taken shots from Superman and Wonder Woman and also a energy beam from Hal Jordan. 😐
Bro....Spectre let Batman kick him and im pretty sure it didnt make him bleed.
Batmasn doesnt take any of that without any prep and hes not prepping for superman and WW here.
Originally posted by AlfheimNah you need to get a grip on facts because you obviously are avoiding them for some reason. The point i was making was that Wolverine is faster, stronger and smarter than Bucky and the instances where Wolverine was shot are in no way the same as them fighting on neutral ground Castle goes down 8/10 to Wolverine and so does Bucky.
Get a grip.Because he was trained by Captain America....
Well alot of people on this forum think that Cap ais faster than Wolverine so that dont mean a dman thing. He also did not state how much faster. Anyway it doesnt even matter because on street level people who arent even described as peak have been shown to keep up with enhanced people....like I said an injured Punisher was punching up Wolverine....accorinding to your logic he would have got stomped.
Anyway here are the scans of Wolverine vs WS...they dont work but there are alot of them
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky1.jpg
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky2.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky3.jpg
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky4.jpg
http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky5.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky6.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php...loganbucky7.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky8.jpg
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.ph...loganbucky9.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.ph...oganbucky10.jpg
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php...oganbucky11.jpg
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.ph...oganbucky12.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php...oganbucky13.jpgWell i'll pm the guy to see if he has them.....but those are alot of scans.....
Originally posted by AlfheimWhile I agree that all of thos Batman feats I just listed are PIS/CIS(meybe with the exception of the blast from Hal) so is Cap knocking out Namor. unless he did it with the Shield I don't buy it.
You were refering to H2H. Well ok apparently in the canon source the writers stated that Cap was supposed to be superior to Bruce."Cap has KOed Namor. Namor > Nomex suit. yes the utility belt will help."
Bro....Spectre let Batman kick him and im pretty sure it didnt make him bleed.
Batmasn doesnt take any of that without any prep and hes not prepping for superman and WW here.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah you need to get a grip on facts because you obviously are avoiding them for some reason.
Yeah of course
Originally posted by iceman24567
The point i was making was that Wolverine is faster, stronger and smarter than Bucky
Well if can get those scans then wwe will see for sure. At any rate you cant pove that Wolverine is smarter than WS because Wolverine can act like a dumbass. He probably is stronger but it wont make that much difference. Faster well lets put it this way, lots of people who are not classified as enhanced have given Wolverine problems.
Hell Wolverine was fighting Echo shes not enhanced and he had to get pull out his claws because he was not winning in H2H.
Silver Samurai isnt enhanced hes been beaten by Wolverine but hes good enough to give him trouble.
Shin Kuei isnt enhanced but he can be a major problem to an enhanced DP
Your logic just doesnt add up.
Originally posted by iceman24567
and the instances where Wolverine was shot are in no way the same as them fighting on neutral ground Castle goes down 8/10 to Wolverine and so does Bucky.
Oh I see so them fighting H2H in those scans doesnt ahve anything to do with this thread....idiot.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
While I agree that all of thos Batman feats I just listed are PIS/CIS(meybe with the exception of the blast from Hal)so is Cap knocking out Namor. unless he did it with the Shield I don't buy it.
Cap has been punching and stunning people with superhuman strength for 100s of years its not PIS. Besides Namor was mindcontrolled thats why he was able to do it, otherwise Namor would have been too fast.
Originally posted by AlfheimNice so we resort to insulting because the logic you claim i don't have doesn't add up? Just because these people have given Wolverine trouble doesn't mean Bucky or Frank can beat Wolverine in battle. What hand 2 hand scans? You obviously are in denial if you think Bucky is faster than Wolverine or even smarter. Wolverine is a mutant those times he acts like a dumbass is because of his animal instincts whats your excuse? I have evidence but it really doesn't matter if i give you scans because you are immune to logic.
Yeah of courseWell if can get those scans then wwe will see for sure. At any rate you cant pove that Wolverine is smarter than WS because Wolverine can act like a dumbass. He probably is stronger but it wont make that much difference. Faster well lets put it this way, lots of people who are not classified as enhanced have given Wolverine problems.
Hell Wolverine was fighting Echo shes not enhanced and he had to get pull his claws because he was winning H2H.
Silver Samurai isnt enhanced hes been beaten by Wolverine but hes good enough to give him trouble.
Shin Kuei isnt enhanced but he can be a mjor problem to an enhanced DP
Your logic just doesnt add up.
Oh I see so them fighting H2H in those scans doesnt ahve anything to do with this thread....idiot.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nice so we resort to insulting because the logic you claim i don't have doesn't add up? Just because these people have given Wolverine trouble doesn't mean Bucky or Frank can beat Wolverine in battle. What hand 2 hand scans? You obviously are in denial if you think Bucky is faster than Wolverine or even smarter. Wolverine is a mutant those times he acts like a dumbass is because of his animal instincts whats your excuse? I have evidence but it really doesn't matter if i give you scans because you are immune to logic.
Ok I apologise but your rude. You rude and illogical. You dont actually call me names but basically you talk down to me.
So what your telling me is that, this does not have any bearing on how this fight will go?
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherwarjournal007134jd.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherwarjournal00714159jt.jpg
You started laughing at me and then start telling me that this has no bearing on how the fight will go....then you wonder why im rude.
Whose the one getting punched up in those scans Frank or Wolverine? No I dont think that Frank is faster than Wolverine but it obvoulsy in this fight doesnt make that much of a difference.
