Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It was a manifestation of his inner grief, he was not actually merged with Doomsday, a.f.a.i.recall.Other than that fight and Sacrifice, which occurs after her encounter with Zoom, I can only recall one more fight of which the details I don't recall.
So prior to the Zoom fight thats the only fight she has had?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Bottomline Superman hits hard. Hits from Zoom are by her perceptions harder.Trying to diminish Superman's strength is relatively silly.
Im not im just saying in my opinion Superman does not hit harder than Savage Hulk, as far as im concerned in a slugfest of power Savage Hulk will stomp Supes.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHulk hit harder than Supes?
So prior to the Zoom fight thats the only fight she has had?Im not im just saying in my opinion Superman does not hit harder than Savage Hulk, as far as im concerned in a slugfest of power Savage Hulk will stomp Supes.
lmao
So explain his fights with Thing to me then. 😂
A ho indeed.
Zoom is a mish mash of illogic. He gave Cheetah speed, when he himself doesn't use the Speedforce afai remember? but rather time manip. He can snap his fingers and level buildings. He can according to WW hit harder than Superman due to time dilation/contraction making his punches lightspeed. He can keep up with the Flash in a race around the world, despite technically not having the endurance.
But that's Zoom.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIf you read the post properly you'd see that your question is redundant. I remembered the third fight I mentioned anyway although it's more a non-fight, Superman #211
So prior to the Zoom fight thats the only fight she has had?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBased on? What relevance does that have to Zoom hitting harder than Superman according to Wonder Woman who has experienced both anyway? What relevance does it have to a character who treats time like his plaything?
Im not im just saying in my opinion Superman does not hit harder than Savage Hulk, as far as im concerned in a slugfest of power Savage Hulk will stomp Supes.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A ho indeed.Zoom is a mish mash of illogic. He gave Cheetah speed, when he himself doesn't use the Speedforce afai remember? but rather time ma He can snap his fingers and level buildings. He can according to WW hit harder than Superman due to time dilation/contraction making his punches lightspeed. He can keep up with the Flash in a race around the world, despite technically not having the endurance.
The Superman she fought with the inner grief was a more powerful version of Superman. 😐 So in other words if she has fought Superman other times she would be comparing the punches of a weaker Superman.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But that's Zoom.If you read the post properly you'd see that your question is redundant. Based on? What relevance does that have to Zoom hitting harder than Superman according to Wonder Woman who has experienced both anyway? What relevance does it have to a character who treats time like his plaything?
Well I already stated why. Does Zoom get tired?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneZoom has the endurance to keep up with the Flash.
The Superman she fought with the inner grief was a more powerful version of Superman. 😐 So in other words if she has fought Superman other times she would be comparing the punches of a weaker Superman.Well I already stated why. Does Zoom get tired?
Wonder Woman who has taken hits from an enraged Superman perceives Zoom's punches as harder.
Obviously Huc wins 10/10.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Zoom has the endurance to keep up with the Flash.Wonder Woman who has taken hits from an enraged Superman perceives Zoom's punches as harder.
Still didnt answer my question.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Obviously Huc wins 10/10.
I never said Hulk wins at all but if you cant just answer a question I think i'll just duck out. *shrug*
Originally posted by xmarksthespotHe doesn't hit harder than Superman. They just like to beef up people sometimes. Superman once said Guy Gardner hits harder than Doomsday.
Zoom has the endurance to keep up with the Flash.Wonder Woman who has taken hits from an enraged Superman perceives Zoom's punches as harder.
Obviously Huc wins 10/10.
The proof is in the pudding - Zoom punched her around the planet, Superman knocked her across the solar system unconscious in one hefty shot. While she still got up and defeated Zoom.
Zoom does however definately do damage in the upper tiers, with most of the musclebound characters, just like Flash does.
Originally posted by JuntaiI don't really think he hits harder than Superman either, as shown in Sacrifice.
He doesn't hit harder than Superman. They just like to beef up people sometimes. Superman once said Guy Gardner hits harder than Doomsday.The proof is in the pudding - Zoom punched her around the planet, Superman knocked her across the solar system unconscious in one hefty shot.
However downplaying that he hits hard due to his bizarre time contraction somehow making his punches lightspeed and that he basically beat the crap out of a character who does have superb reactions far superior than the Hulk and can take Superman's sun-to-earth punches and only blackout briefly... and that he can basically do this to Hulk as many times as he wants before Hulk even has a chance to blink, is pretty silly huh....
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
and that he can basically do this to Hulk as many times as he wants before Hulk even has a chance to blink, is pretty silly huh....
Well it doesnt show him doing that in the scans does it? It shows one punch not many. It gives the impression that those punches that sent WW flying involved him charging up power.
For example when we see him kicking her many times on the floor they are less powerful.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't really think he hits harder than Superman either, as shown in Sacrifice.However downplaying that he hits hard due to his bizarre time contraction somehow making his punches lightspeed and that he basically beat the crap out of a character who does have superb reactions far superior than the Hulk and can take Superman's sun-to-earth punches and only blackout briefly... and that he can basically do this to Hulk as many times as he wants before Hulk even has a chance to blink, is pretty silly huh....
Zoom does however definately do damage in the upper tiers, with most of the musclebound characters, just like Flash does.I did say that as well.
But yeah, I'm not downplaying it, and I certainly think he wins here.
Originally posted by JuntaiOh I wasn't saying that you were downplaying him at all.
I did say that as well.But yeah, I'm not downplaying it, and I certainly think he wins here.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneZoom doesn't charge his punches. He doesn't use chi or magic or Oan energy or some other supposition. He manipulates time.
Well it doesnt show him doing that in the scans does it? It shows one punch not many. It gives the impression that those punches that sent WW flying involved him charging up power.For example when we see him kicking her many times on the floor they are less powerful.
He punches regularly. The rest of the world is so slow compared to his reference frame that he can make his punches essentially lightspeed to the outside observer.
Hulk will literally be a statue to Zoom. That Zoom wanted Wonder Woman's world tour to end in Themyscira doesn't change that.
Huc wins 10/10.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotHe punches regularly. The rest of the world is so slow compared to his reference frame that he can make his punches essentially lightspeed to the outside observer.
Hulk will literally be a statue to Zoom. That Zoom wanted Wonder Woman's world tour to end in Themyscira doesn't change that.
Ok let me elaborate what I mean by 'charging'. The punches that sent WW flying where less frequent than his other attacks, it seems that those harder punches take more effort due to the fact they were less frequent. If he can pull those punches a thousand per second then Hulk loses, but I have not seen any evidence.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Huc wins 10/10.
Why do you keep saying that? I never said he did. 😬
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt's fun.
Ok let me elaborate what I mean by 'charging'. The punches that sent WW flying where less frequent than his other attacks, it seems that those harder punches take more effort due to the fact they were less frequent. If he can pull those punches a thousand per second then Hulk loses, but I have not seen any evidence.Why do you keep saying that? I never said he did. 😬
Zoom can punch one time in the outsider observers timeframe of a second, or he can punch a thousand times in the outside observers timeframe of a second. It's his manipulation of time that causes the punches to be as powerful as they are, not he number of them and not him swinging a harder punch. All of Zoom's seemingly physical powers derive from time manipulation, it makes him seemingly as fast or sometimes faster than the Flash, and it comes with the the associated ability to hit very hard by hitting very fast.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotZoom can punch one time in the outsider observers timeframe of a second, or he can punch a thousand times in the outside observers timeframe of a second. It's his manipulation of time that causes the punches to be as powerful as they are, not he number of them and not him swinging a harder punch. All of Zoom's seemingly physical powers derive from time manipulation, it makes him seemingly as fast or sometimes faster than the Flash, and it comes with the the associated ability to hit very hard by hitting very fast.
Again not really answering the question. I know he can punch many times in a second, but how hard are these punches? According to that scan the power of his punches vary. For example if he were to punch thousand of times in a second they would be hard but how hard? WW was not hit thousand of a times per second with those very hard punches......im asking how many times can he punch supermanlike in a second? 😬