Storm Respect Thread

humidity.

Storm has demonstrated control over the "phases" of matter (i.e. gas, liquid, solid, plasma). She has changed water from a gaseous form, to a liquid form, to a solid form on many ocaisions. She has also created lightning, which is plasma. She has also demonstrated some remarkable ability to control her bodily processes that are normally regulated by the body's autonomic nervous system (temperature, mental influence, blood preasure, heart rate, breath rate, etc.).

This is also correct.

Everything the scientist has said is correct and backed up by scans.

*Sigh* People with sense.doped

Actually people with sense can see this scientist of yours is nothing more than you dressing up your own claims as those of a scientist for example:

"She has also created lightning, which is plasma."

Lightning is not plasma, it creates plasma which cools off very quickly. Lightning itself is a flow of electrons, as in electricity.

Your scientist doesn't exist and is no more than a pathetic attempt to pass your claims off as having "scientific backing".

Originally posted by 2damnloud

Everything the scientist has said is correct and backed up by scans.

*Sigh* People with sense.doped

Propers for beating me to post 🙂

I asked one of the Mods to let me redo the respect thread.

This should be someplace where we can look at her feats

and not have to argue our points of view on her awesomeness

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Propers for beating me to post 🙂

I asked one of the Mods to let me redo the respect thread.

This should be someplace where we can look at her feats

and not have to argue our points of view on her awesomeness

It actually shows just how idiotic some of these arguments on this board are. 😆

I said she could turn Iceman into a gas with heat from Lighting. Well now we know she can turn a water elemental into a gas with a mere thought, thus accelerating the process of evaporation/condensation. This is precisely what she does when she makes those mini-thunderstorms.

She deals with very large amounts of water vapor all the time when she manipulates the weather.

Most would try their damndest to make a point that she does not directly control water on that level, the phases of matter, or ANY of the manifestations she creates; she only guides them, or makes the conditions possible, along with other convoluted crap with no proof.😂 Obviously all of that is untrue.

This is precisely the reason why I posted all science stuff so people can have just a little understanding of how the feats were accomplished because people are so quick to write it off as "not being in her powerset".

It's a shame you have to explain to grown adults how/why a character who controls LIGHTING has the ability to make an EMP, a damn Electromagnetic field, or control gamma radiation.😂

I feel vindicated, actually. 😆

Like I said, "Anyone with just an ounce of sense......" 🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It actually shows just how idiotic some of these arguments on this board are. 😆

I said she could turn Iceman into a gas with heat from Lighting. Well now we know she can turn a water elemental into a gas with a mere thought, thus accelerating the process of evaporation/condensation. This is precisely what she does when she makes those mini-thunderstorms.

She deals with very large amounts of water vapor all the time when she manipulates the weather.

Most would try their damndest to make a point that she does not directly control water on that level, the phases of matter, or ANY of the manifestations she creates; she only guides them, or makes the conditions possible, along with other convoluted crap with no proof.😂 Obviously all of that is untrue.

This is precisely the reason why I posted all science stuff so people can have just a little understanding of how the feats were accomplished because people are so quick to write it off as "not being in her powerset".

It's a shame you have to explain to grown adults how/why a character who controls LIGHTING has the ability to make an EMP, a damn Electromagnetic field, or control gamma radiation.😂

I feel vindicated, actually. 😆

Like I said, "Anyone with just an ounce of sense......" 🙄

2damn, you've been warned many times about your behaviour, do i have to do it again?

Originally posted by pr1983
2damn, you've been warned many times about your behaviour, do i have to do it again?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's something how almost everything I've been saying about her is showing up in the books.😂

I used that exact same argument for her and Iceman. I think I said she turns him into a gas with the heat from the lightning and the heat turns him to plasma.

I don't feel bad because people with SENSE actually "get" the storm thing and how her powers actually work.

and people with KNOWLEDGE know that that's not how electrolysis [the process by which water is reduced to hydrogen and oxygen molecules] works. the difference between iceman and hydro-man, aside from the obvious, is that iceman can consciously control his temperature through his "cryokinesis." heat has no lasting effect on him. also, electricity itself doesn't constitute electrolysis. the electricity must be a tightly controlled current. for example, when t'challa used a finely tuned energy dagger and his boots [or whatever] to ACTUALLY perform electrolysis on hydro-man. and yet, it didn't kill him, as is clear to see.

regardless, you've still yet to actually cite your "scientist," only "quoting" blurbs of text you could have written yourself.

anyway, i'd advise anyone interested in actual reasons to respect storm to visit BlueD's new thread. come in here, or into the to-be-made discussion thread, if you want to argue. let's try to keep at least one storm respect thread free and clear of this type of nonsense.

Originally posted by Disappear
and people with KNOWLEDGE know that that's not how electrolysis [the process by which water is reduced to hydrogen and oxygen molecules] works. the difference between iceman and hydro-man, aside from the obvious, is that iceman can consciously control his temperature through his "cryokinesis." heat has no lasting effect on him. also, electricity itself doesn't constitute electrolysis. the electricity must be a tightly controlled current. for example, when t'challa used a finely tuned energy dagger and his boots [or whatever] to ACTUALLY perform electrolysis on hydro-man. and yet, it didn't kill him, as is clear to see.

regardless, you've still yet to actually cite your "scientist," only "quoting" blurbs of text you could have written yourself.

anyway, i'd advise anyone interested in actual reasons to respect storm to visit BlueD's new thread. come in here, or into the to-be-made discussion thread, if you want to argue. let's try to keep at least one storm respect thread free and clear of this type of nonsense.

first of all, SOURCE

Second. Electrolysis happends in THUDERSTORMS. Go look it up since you have so much "knowledge"😬

All that notwithstanding the fact that Storm has fine cotrol over electrons, anyway.

Please stop posting a "counter-argument" just for the sake to arguing.

are you asking for a source, or saying the "source" you've quoted isn't a scientist, but a "source" and i'm somehow misquoting you from the top of this page?

either way, here's some info on electrolysis.

Electrolysis of water is an electrolytic process which decomposes water into oxygen and hydrogen gas due to the flow of electric current. A DC voltage source, such as a battery, is commonly used to induce the flow of electrical current. The voltage of the battery creates a current in the water that is equal to the voltage of the battery divided by the resistance of the water, as per Ohm's law. For water to conduct a substantial electric current, an electrolyte is required to reduce resistance.

so, we've learned that not only does electrolysis need a specific current [as i said,] but it also requires an electrolyte in most situations because

pure water conducts electricity very poorly

both quotes are from wikipedia's entry on the electrolysis of water, the second link if you google the word "electrolysis." and believe me, wikipedia knows more about electrolysis than some nobody with a storm fetish.

further, i'll stop posting for the sake of rebuking your claims if you stop making erroneous claims to begin with. cite a source, scientist, or website. stop posting random crap about what you think counts as canon, because it simply doesn't belong in a respect thread. only feats do, not nonsense jabber by someone so unendingly biased they can't see how destructive their being to their character's image.

yes, i know, my posts don't belong in here either. but, i'm hoping against hope that two wrongs make a right in this situation.

blued's decided to make a discussion thread, and has started a new thread with no crap banter, opinions or jerk idealists. on both sides. so just move your scans to the latter and your opinions to the latter and i wont need to tell everyone that half of your posts aren't canon, and don't count as respect tender.

Originally posted by Disappear
are you asking for a source, or saying the "source" you've quoted isn't a scientist, but a "source" and i'm somehow misquoting you from the top of this page?

either way, here's some info on electrolysis.

so, we've learned that not only does electrolysis need a specific current [as i said,] but it also requires an electrolyte in most situations because

both quotes are from wikipedia's entry on the electrolysis of water, the second link if you google the word "electrolysis." and believe me, wikipedia knows more about electrolysis than some nobody with a storm fetish.

further, i'll stop posting for the sake of rebuking your claims if you stop making erroneous claims to begin with. cite a source, scientist, or website. stop posting random crap about what you think counts as canon, because it simply doesn't belong in a respect thread. only feats do, not nonsense jabber by someone so unendingly biased they can't see how destructive their being to their character's image.

yes, i know, my posts don't belong in here either. but, i'm hoping against hope that two wrongs make a right in this situation.

blued's decided to make a discussion thread, and has started a new thread with no crap banter, opinions or jerk idealists. on both sides. so just move your scans to the latter and your opinions to the latter and i wont need to tell everyone that half of your posts aren't canon, and don't count as respect tender.

wow, WIKI 😱 🙄

name Thaddeus
age 40s

Question - Electrolysis is one method of making hydrogen. My
question, is there hydrogen occurring naturally in a thunderstorm.
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Dear Tadd-

You are correct in your assumption that hydrogen is produced naturally in
thunderstorms. Lightning flashes ionize both oxygen and nitrogen, and
disassociate water molecules into their component parts. Some of these
ionized particles combine to form ammonia solutions and weak nitrates, which
are washed into the ground with the rain. This is a "natural fertilizer" for
plants that is manufactured as a byproduct of thunderstorms.

Wendell Bechtold, meteorologist
Forecaster, National Weather Service
Weather Forecast Office, St. Louis, MO
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Source: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00114.htm

Sorry, it's nature😬

And I was under the assumption that this is to be the discussion thread.

read that too. turns out, as tadd and wendell both indicate, what's happening in thunderstorms is NOT electrolysis. oh no, there goes your point, right out the window.

lightning causes an electron jump in water molecules, breaking bonds in the water it passes through. that is not the same as a controlled current moving through a mass of water, disassociating water into hydrogen and oxygen. i mean, you can make steam by systematically boiling water, a controlled method analogous to electrolysis. or you could throw a bucket of water at the sun, where the sheer difference in scale [heat from the sun, electricity from the lightning] causes a similar effect.

it's not electrolysis in thunderstorms, bud. your own quote points that out.

you know that humidity, what hydro-man became, is just water vapor in the atmosphere, yes? a temperature jump and some wind can create humidity, as storm did. humidity, however, is still water. making a body of water into a body of water vapor does not justify the assertion that she has, or could, perform electrolysis. whoops.

edit: if we're making this into the discussion thread, let's have a mod change the title and move it to the comic books forum, where discussion threads belong. that way, aside from adhering to the rules, we'll also be sparing innocent searchers from the waste of a thread this has become.

And to piggy-back off the earlier post:

This is Storm's Ultimate incarnation

😐

Originally posted by Disappear
read that too. turns out, as tadd and wendell both indicate, what's happening in thunderstorms is NOT electrolysis. oh no, there goes your point, right out the window.

lightning causes an electron jump in water molecules, breaking bonds in the water it passes through. that is not the same as a controlled current moving through a mass of water, disassociating water into hydrogen and oxygen. i mean, you can make steam by systematically boiling water, a controlled method analogous to electrolysis. or you could throw a bucket of water at the sun, where the sheer difference in scale [heat from the sun, electricity from the lightning] causes a similar effect.

it's not electrolysis in thunderstorms, bud. your own quote points that out.

you know that humidity, what hydro-man became, is just water vapor in the atmosphere, yes? a temperature jump and some wind can create humidity, as storm did. humidity, however, is still water. making a body of water into a body of water vapor does not justify the assertion that she has, or could, perform electrolysis. whoops.

edit: if we're making this into the discussion thread, let's have a mod change the title and move it to the comic books forum, where discussion threads belong. that way, aside from adhering to the rules, we'll also be sparing innocent searchers from the waste of a thread this has become.

She already has performed electrolysis and nowhere in that quote did it indicate it was not an occurrence in a Thunderstorm.

She can break down water molecules. It's an effect of weather.

got a scan of it?

Originally posted by Disappear
got a scan of it?

The very first page of this thread.

interesting to note that breathing a mostly-oxygen gas would burn your lungs, whether claremont knows or not, but point proven. still, casting a current through a separate medium, especially a living body of ice, would be different than manipulating internal electricity as it affects the water immediately surrounding you. seems as though she could manage, despite the stretch of imagination needed.

You said some other sci- fi crap about exploding in space, now breathing pure Oxygen??😂

I'm sure claremont knew, and used science loosely based on reality.

I look up every suspect thing people say on here, because it is usually a lie. Call me a cynic.

Humans can survive a good while on pure oxgen. Sometimes it's used to treat gangrene.

In the long-term, pure oxygen is not good, though.

Did they want to be under water for the rest of their lives?? Nooo.🙄

"pure oxygen," even in medical cases, is not just oxygen. oxygen tents are not fully sealed, letting air mix in, and the oxygen coming in through breathing apparatus is also mixing with air. breathing pure oxygen, in true form, causes relatively rapid oxygen toxicity and respiratory and neurological damage.

breathing pure oxygen at higher pressures, also, causes a much faster increase in toxicity, as the heart is pumping harder, the muscles need to work more, etcetera. and, wouldn't you know it, when you go approximately eleven yards underwater, the pressure of earth's atmosphere at sea level's already doubled. it happens every eleven yards. so, figure out how deep they were, and figure out how potentially toxic breathing that mixture really would be. and maybe it's just me, but if two x-men being towed upward, with buoyancy working with them, were a mere thirty-something feet from the surface, i really doubt they'd be in desperate need of a breath of air. they could probably wait four seconds.

Yes, oxygen toxity will happen, just not immediately.🙄

It's enough time for Storm, Beast, Psylocke to do what they need to do.

You said the same thing about immediately dying/exploding in space.