Red Son Superman runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah I know. I notice the term Pre Crisis is thrown out there everytime Kal has a decent feat. Even if RS was that powerful, he'd still be screwed against Thor. Just look at Mordru owning Superboy and Mon-El in the PC days. Thor is no Mordru but he's good enough.

Still a WW with all her weapons is one with 10x strength and speed along with instant kill weapons.

I agree.

Superman is a bit above Diana, imo. But with all her gear?

Please. Her stats multiplied by ten and he still beats her??
He's not that far above her.

And i will always see Surfer as decently more powerful than Superman, even pre powerup.

Current Surfer destroys planets to make points.

But since RedSun is so powerful, lets see how he does against someone who owned Surfer worse than Thanos ever did, and with minimal effort.

New Thread 😈

I'm not even going to touch people believing that Superman can honestly beat a skyfather.
Too much disbelief there.

I say WW stops him.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Red Sun Supes defeated a legion of GL's, Wonderwoman with the amazonians, and pretty much all of earth.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman punching>>> Powerful Magic.

Redsun wasn't Superman PC.
He was current Superman without restraint.

And he doesn't get past Hal, if he's on his A game.

5 on up have the ability to beat him.

🤨 Did you read the Red Son Superman comic? Not only did he pwn Hal, he pwned a legion of GLs. Are you telling me Hal alone is better than 100+ other GLs and himself? He pwned Doomsday too, as well as a bunch of other monsters. Red Son Superman wasnt just Superman without moral restraint, he was stronger, and smarter, and more skilled than current Supes.
Saying that, if he gets past WW(not likely), he makes it to Surfer. He would beat DS, and Thanos. He might beat RKT.

Originally posted by Tassadar
🤨 Did you read the Red Son Superman comic? Not only did he pwn Hal, he pwned a legion of GLs. Are you telling me Hal alone is better than 100+ other GLs and himself? He pwned Doomsday too, as well as a bunch of other monsters. Red Son Superman wasnt just Superman without moral restraint, he was stronger, and smarter, and more skilled than current Supes.
Saying that, if he gets past WW(not likely), he makes it to Surfer. He would beat DS, and Thanos. He might beat RKT.

Superman: Red Son?? Written by Millar??

Yeah i read it.

Hal has beaten better than Superman.
Why shouldn't i see him as capable of beating this version?

And don't bring me a nameless gl argument.

Nameless GL's are the DC cosmic equivalent of Handninjas. Cannon fodder to upstock fast.

See Superboy Prime and DD.

And its no surprise that Superman beat DD.

If you read DOS, you'd realize that had he cut loose from the beginning, he wouldn't have died.
He only took off the caps, when it was clear that he might die and DD would rampage on.
He killed someone he was capable of killing all along. Big deal.

And why would he beat DS?? Or Thanos??

Darkseid has so many powers its insane that DC let him lose to Superman twice!
He could destroy Superman without even thinking of the OE.

I know i give Darky alot of flack on this board, but he really is a skyfather beyond others, barring (imo) Odin.

Superman beating him is not happening in a well written book, but RKT is debateable.

But he's not getting past anybody on that list that remembers they have powers.

And i maintain, that Red Son was simply Superman raised without fear of himself and his potential.
No additional power was there.
Simply self awareness and capability.

Ie, a communist pov, where he's the best he is for his country, not his planet.