Originally posted by Advent
You mean the instakill attack that doesn't exist? When've we seen Vader use an instakill? Provide proof. It would've killed those Jedi in Purge easier without almost dying, and other Jedi he hunted down.
force crush? idk if eaw is canon but vader does have force crush and said so by other sources and he learned it during the OT not during the purge.
and it mentioned that vader will one day be equal to sidious, source from RODV.
and vader taking on 7 masters? he was weak, only half of what he was in the OT and i didnt see him execute force grip.
and i seen him in a picture from a comic force grip his opponent and flung him in the air.
isnt Eaw canon? its like kotor 1 and 2 being made canon so there fore im assuming the events in eaw did take place, if it did
that proves vader has force crush and it rips tanks apart
and isnt force crush the upgraded power of grip? like storm from lightning.
mace windu executed it on grievious in the clone wars
Originally posted by ESB Vader
force crush? idk if eaw is canon but vader does have force crush and said so by other sources and he learned it during the OT not during the purge.
Force Crush is not an instakill, otherwise Grievous would be dead.
and it mentioned that vader will one day be equal to sidious, source from RODV.
Vader only has 80% of Darth Sidious' power. Source: Lucas.
and vader taking on 7 masters? he was weak, only half of what he was in the OT and i didnt see him execute force grip.
And what does this have to do with anything again?
Keep it to the point: Force Crush is not an instakill.
and i seen him in a picture from a comic force grip his opponent and flung him in the air.
Great. . .
How's that an attack that "instantly kills" again? It's not? Okay. And we've seen Dooku fling people into the air. Who cares really?
isnt Eaw canon?
No, "Eaw" isn't canon. EU is canon. There's a difference. "Eaw" isn't real, and isn't an acronym for "Expanded Universe".
its like kotor 1 and 2 being made canon so there fore im assuming the events in eaw did take place, if it did
that proves vader has force crush and it rips tanks apart
No one is disputing canonicty, however, Force Crush is not an instakill!
and isnt force crush the upgraded power of grip? like storm from lightning.
Great deduction, my friend.
My words: No shit. And what does this have to do with the fact it's not an instakill?
mace windu executed it on grievious in the clone wars [/B]
Which didn't kill him.
Force Crush = not an instakill = you're wrong. There's nothing more to it.
hmm i know ok u got me there but isnt eaw in EU which is canon?
and yes i think ur right that crush isnt instant kill but the exile demonstrated in kotor2 that the crush lifts you in the air and u cant do anything.
if it was grip u still can force push vader but crush is the force around you pushing inwards towards the centre of gravity so technically you are caught in its wrath, the best defense to a crush is offense before the user executes it,
crush kills when the user commands it, yes i get your point it isnt instant but the reason i said its instant because well you get caught in its wrath, your body immobalised and it breaks everything in you.
about the flung in the air grip its like luke choking nihilus and slamming him on the ground, vader is possibly a master of choke and it will be possible he executes it on his victims
ok u did prove crush is not an insta kill but technically it is, like saying the whole force around you crushing every part of your body immobalising you.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
you can use the force to block force crush. but you have to know its comng and be damned powerful
very true, the victim would have to offend to defend but crush is instant tho not an insta kill, crush can destroy humans and very effective on th battle field, vader only learned it when he recovered from his injuries which took him years
Look, and instakill is an attack that instantly kills or pretty much right away. If it takes awhile, it's no instakill. If it takes more than like 5 seconds, it's not an instakill.
If it can be defended against, which obviously it can - it's hardly is an instakill, if it were Mace Windu could've taken out Sidious with apparent ease. Force Crush didn't even kill a guy who has no Force power whatsoever coming from Mace Windu, who has demonstrated his Force ability numerous occasions. You can move out of the way of a Force crush anyways.
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Point is, you'll die from it most likely,
No, that is not the point. The point is that it's not an instakill attack, and you can:
1.) Defend.
2.) Dodge.
Show me where any relatively strong or mediocre Jedi has died from a Force crush.
what Mace did was close the Armor around his Lungs, it wasn't a real Force Crush, which lifts the person from the ground, and makes their Lungs Explode
No, it was a real Force crush. I know what Mace did, he jumped down and use it Grievous while he was getting into some ship. It was a Force crush, this is made obvious.
What Dooku did on Obi-Wan in The Invisible Hand was a Force Crush, the ability you have on Dark Side of KoToR 2 is Force Crush, what he did would be like grabbing his armor, and having it enclose on his internal organs, but instead by using the Force, so it was more of a Force Grip, a much weaker version
Force Crush lifts someone and crushes their Lungs and they eventually die
I never said it was an Insta-Kill, but LIKE one, don't accuse me of Dodging anything
Strong or Mediocre Jedi? Tons from cutscenes in the various games(not gameplay 😱 )
Originally posted by Advent
Look, and [b]instakill is an attack that instantly kills or pretty much right away. If it takes awhile, it's no instakill. If it takes more than like 5 seconds, it's not an instakill.If it can be defended against, which obviously it can - it's hardly is an instakill, if it were Mace Windu could've taken out Sidious with apparent ease. Force Crush didn't even kill a guy who has no Force power whatsoever coming from Mace Windu, who has demonstrated his Force ability numerous occasions. You can move out of the way of a Force crush anyways. [/B]
advent i said technically it is, the whole force around you is crushing your entire body, the exiles crush level is obviously higher than mace because her victims die from it, well instead of insta kill lets say its a "you will die" situation. even the mechanical vader has limitations and he has tremendous mastery of the force, with gl saying luke is what anakin is suppose to become, vader is half of njo luke.
and mace doesnt use it to kill its victims, vader does,NOT on any jedi in the purge because he cant even master grip and hasnt learn force crush
Originally posted by ESB Vader
advent i said technically it is, the whole force around you is crushing your entire body, the exiles crush level is obviously higher than mace because her victims die from it,
Gameplay galore. Canonically, the Exile doesn't even have Force crush. Even if you want to use gameplay as a reference, I could very well say the Exile is THE Force God because none of the enemies can block Force attacks. "Lol rolling save".
Gameplay = Not canon. Exile having Force crush at all = Not canon.
And, actually going by "technically" it's not. Technically, an instakill instantely kills. You can't go by "technically" because it doesn't suit your argument, because technically speaking - as I said - it's not, lol.
well instead of insta kill lets say its a "you will die" situation. even the mechanical vader has limitations and he has tremendous mastery of the force, with gl saying luke is what anakin is suppose to become, vader is half of njo luke.
No, he's not. NJO Luke is like three, if not more, times stronger than even DE Luke, who in turn is stronger than Vader. Vader is not half of NJO Luke.
and mace doesnt use it to kill its victims, vader does
As I said, produce viable proof that it's been used on a strong, even mediocre, Force user and killed them.
@ Krieger:
Strong or Mediocre Jedi? Tons from cutscenes in the various games(not gameplay )
Which games? Where in the games? I'm calling you out to provide proof not some stupid statement. Show me exactly which games, and where.
Originally posted by Advent
@ Krieger:Which games? Where in the games? I'm calling you out to provide proof not some stupid statement. Show me exactly which games, and where.
KoToR 1, Malak Force Crushes 2(maybe 4, can't quite remember the details) Jedi on the StarForge I believe it was, in a Cutscene. i'm pretty sure Desann uses Force Crush(Third/Second Level Grip in those games) as well on various people. I'd have to go play these games again to find more, which I really don't want to do just to prove a debate
Originally posted by AdventAnd, actually going by "technically" it's not. Technically, an instakill instantely kills. You can't go by "technically" because it doesn't suit your argument, because technically speaking - as I said - it's not, lol.
No, he's not. NJO Luke is like three, if not more, times stronger than even DE Luke, who in turn is stronger than Vader. Vader is not half of NJO Luke.
still its a you will die situation, its like a pitbull biting you on your neck, it wont let go till u die, just like the user of force crush and i do get ur point.
GL stated vader would have been twice as strong if he didnt suffer injuries that means 2x, and saying anakin would be the most powerful force user ever and also stating that luke became what full anakin was suppose to become, that means njo luke is 2x of vader.
the machine vader is only half of what he will become, gl said so.
and luke became what anakin suppose to become period
and how is a jedi going to defend against something which appears around the outline of your body? its not like lightning where the victim would block with a saber or block with his hands like yoda.
the force around you immobalises you, you cant do anything once it gets to you,
the best defense to this feat is to kill the user before he executes the power
and proof that he used it on a force user? none, because there were none left in the galaxy and he learned this after the purge, not during it.
we do not have to argue bout the instantkill, its settled i know what r u trying to say
yes that could be a good defense but once u get hit with crush you cant do anything, so before the user executes crush, then the victim should push the force out but wouldnt that let the victims guard down?
the attacker still has saber throw and grip
i havnt seen any jedi do yet though but lets assume all jedi have it.
anyways end of arguements, im getting tired we are not even argueming about the match but about force crush.
lets drop it all