Creation vs Evolution

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I must admit I always liked this one - the whole creationist claim that if one believes in evolution then one doesn't believe in God, and if one doesn't believe in God then you have nothing to live for and you will become an amoral, nihilistic criminal motivated only by pleasure.

Which of course is a massive load of cobblers.

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✅ .... So, for example, what do you say to that JIA? How does the Bible refute that?

I am going to go the path of least resistance as you did in my post to you. I say that it is complete abusurdity.

What say you Templares about these quotes?

Havent i debunked QUOTE MINING before? Several times already!

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Quotes are very easy to misuse to give a false impression of what an author means. Many people develop their ideas over long passages, and no single quote can do justice to their argument. Many people, especially scientists, play devil's advocate with their own ideas, so some of their quotes will say exactly the opposite of the point they are supporting. In other cases, good summary quotes exist, but the quoter is either unable or unwilling to find and use them. It is extremely easy to find out-of-context quotes that do damage to a person's main ideas, even unintentionally. Quotes should probably be regarded with more skepticism than any other references.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA113.html

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am going to go the path of least resistance as you did in my post to you. I say that it is complete abusurdity.

Really? Ah, but what I am quoting isn't absurd.

Your post about trying to use science to prove that known fictions could theoretically exist as support for God bordered on the absurd - the fact we can trace the exact evolution of Santa Claus and we know the point where he ceased being real and became a fiction is perfectly justified for calling him a fiction.

As for unicorns - they wouldn't be pink. The science is dodgy, and besides, once again, while it isn't as clear cut as with Santa we can trace the mythological evolution of the Unicorn (back to Egypt, where it is thought to have been derived from initial contact with rhinos 😱 )

Then we have God, like many Gods before. It is over simplification to imply that it is simply the need to comfort ourselves we created them - but once again experts can trace the evolution of religion - including links between the Christian God/Jesus and others (can you say Mithra?)

However what I was referring to has no reason to be considered absurd. The claim evolution contributes to social degeneracy has not a smidgen of statistical data backing it up. In fact the opposite - so why don't you debunk it? Use the Bible to show how evolution has been bad for the world when there is no statistical proof, no scientific proof or any other kind to support it.

Havent i debunked QUOTE MINING before? Several times already!

*excerpt*
Quotes are very easy to misuse to give a false impression of what an author means. Many people develop their ideas over long passages, and no single quote can do justice to their argument. Many people, especially scientists, play devil's advocate with their own ideas, so some of their quotes will say exactly the opposite of the point they are supporting. In other cases, good summary quotes exist, but the quoter is either unable or unwilling to find and use them. It is extremely easy to find out-of-context quotes that do damage to a person's main ideas, even unintentionally. Quotes should probably be regarded with more skepticism than any other references.

Well said, and exactly right. See JIA, I told you so.

Originally posted by Templares
Havent i debunked [b]QUOTE MINING before? Several times already!

*excerpt*
Quotes are very easy to misuse to give a false impression of what an author means. Many people develop their ideas over long passages, and no single quote can do justice to their argument. Many people, especially scientists, play devil's advocate with their own ideas, so some of their quotes will say exactly the opposite of the point they are supporting. In other cases, good summary quotes exist, but the quoter is either unable or unwilling to find and use them. It is extremely easy to find out-of-context quotes that do damage to a person's main ideas, even unintentionally. Quotes should probably be regarded with more skepticism than any other references.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA113.html [/B]

Dagnabbit, you ain't the real Templares. What have you done with him?

Originally posted by Templares
Havent i debunked [b]QUOTE MINING before? Several times already!

*excerpt*
Quotes are very easy to misuse to give a false impression of what an author means. Many people develop their ideas over long passages, and no single quote can do justice to their argument. Many people, especially scientists, play devil's advocate with their own ideas, so some of their quotes will say exactly the opposite of the point they are supporting. In other cases, good summary quotes exist, but the quoter is either unable or unwilling to find and use them. It is extremely easy to find out-of-context quotes that do damage to a person's main ideas, even unintentionally. Quotes should probably be regarded with more skepticism than any other references.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA113.html [/B]

Oh, so you admit that damage has been done to the kingdom of darkness...uh...I mean (ahem) evolution, yeah that is what I meant to say.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Oh, so you admit that damage has been done to the kingdom of darkness...uh...I mean (ahem) evolution, yeah that is what I meant to say.

I dont think you understood what i posted, JIA. In simple terms, Quote mining by creationists does nothing to undermine the accuracy of theory of evolution. Quotes CANNOT substitute for evidence.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Oh, so you admit that damage has been done to the kingdom of darkness...uh...I mean (ahem) evolution, yeah that is what I meant to say.

Uh huh... so the fact that the creationist lobby has to resort to misleading tactics by inaccurately presenting quotes is somehow more damaging to evolution then to creationism itself?

Funny usually desperate means such as that are seen as more pitiful and detrimental for the lobby using such tactics. They can't even find real proof so they have to misinterpret the valid information coming from the other side.

Much as you did there... taking the damage quote out of context regardless of what the actual meaning behind it was. Tch tch.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Oh, so you admit that damage has been done to the kingdom of darkness...uh...I mean (ahem) evolution, yeah that is what I meant to say.

There is no such thing as a kingdom of darkness.

Originally posted by Templares
I dont think you understood what i posted, JIA. In simple terms, Quote mining by creationists does nothing to undermine the accuracy of theory of evolution. Quotes CANNOT substitute for evidence.

See I think you were in clear what you were saying so I am surprised JIA did not understand.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am going to go the path of least resistance as you did in my post to you. I say that it is complete abusurdity.

See, what's funny here is , you just proved his comment (see quote below) to be true...

He hands you statistical facts proving your claim that evolution teaching in schools causes crime and you sidestep the question with a unfounded dismissal.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Other people do answer your posts but you tend to dismiss what they say.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is just that some people perpetuate (not any of you) the fallacy that God takes people (i.e. takes their life from them so that He can have them in Heaven). I don't believe that.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is just that some people perpetuate (not any of you) the fallacy that God takes people (i.e. takes their life from them so that He can have them in Heaven). I don't believe that.

OMG templares thank you for that LINK

HEY JIA, quoting from the site that you love sooooo much

Furthermore, one cannot ignore the evidence and lines of reasoning of authorities with different views. In science it is the evidence, and not who says it, that should count. If quotes are to be used at all, they should used in an argument and not as an argument.

If you are a creationist who rejects evolution then before you use such quotes, do look them up in the original. If you a supporter of evolution and find evolution deniers giving you quotations, demand that they personally look up their quotes in the original. And always be wary any quote that seems "too good" to be true. If the quote makes you ask "how could this person accept evolution?" it is probably best to assume their is something wrong with the quotation until concrete evidence provided and independent verification is done. That is not dogma, but the voice of experience. Antievolutionists have "cried wolf" far too many times.

Summarizing someone's work, rather than quoting it, shows understanding. Many creationists are limited to quoting because they have no idea what the author really means. In fact, most creationists probably repeat quotes without even having read the original author's work. Darwin's quote about the eye, for example, would never be repeated in its usual abbreviated form by an honest person who has read the pages that follow it. If a person cannot understand a work well enough to summarize it, he or she should not be talking about it at all.

funny how they say the exact same thing we are saying, stop using quotes only, think, use ur independant thoughts, even if they are disgustingly biased.

I still don't understand why we still have these Religion vs. Science discussions.

Stories vs. Facts, which seems true?

Its because we tolerate the positions of the intelectually ignorant portion of soceity 😖

Originally posted by finti
Jesus is alive!!!!!! why dont you do as your hero to make everyone the main picture.................why do you have to color your reply blue............has it dawned on you among actually the most in this life that many have a black background and blue doesnt really go well with that combination.......or do you have some divine intervention that told you to go all blue

Black.

What is it with Atheists and the color black.......that is soooooo weird....

Black is a beautiful color, regardless of religion.

Black also has a very powerful modern philosophical meaning.

It makes one look thin too......... ✅ Actually I always liked wearing black..........goes well with me little eyes.........

Originally posted by finti
Jesus is alive!!!!!! why dont you do as your hero to make everyone the main picture.................why do you have to color your reply blue............has it dawned on you among actually the most in this life that many have a black background and blue doesnt really go well with that combination.......or do you have some divine intervention that told you to go all blue

divine intervention.

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