Originally posted by bigbran
When has Wolverine ever dodged something that was the speed of light?
Or caught something mach 2?
Christ I can't believe I even need to say what about to say... again. Should I use all caps or bold the text or something? Would that help?
Bullets are faster then Mach 2. Standard Rifle bullets are between Mach 3.5 -4 and the guys Wolverine throws down with carry hightech weaponry like railguns (and lasers) which fire much faster.
Namor never dodged a light speed attack. He avoided a energy blast... as single energy blast and it's not like he dodged it after it was fired he just got out of the way of were the guy was aiming. If energy attack = light speed, then Wolverine dodged the crap out of light when Cyclops was blasting at him in Origins... and he did it much more impressively then Namor. Wolverine has dodged countless energy attacks/lasers in the same fashion and he dodged the Living Lightening.
Until I see someone say "Wolverine dodges light speed attacks" I think its time the people on the forum start question the credibility of fans of a certain sea dwelling character.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeahbuhwhat?Let me clarify. If Flash was only allowed to travel in straight lines and at light speed, do you think Wolverine would beat him?
My point was that dodging an energy attack doesn't equal dodging light speed attacks since the speed of said attacks are ambiguous at best and for the most part no where near speed. Seriously, how did you get that I think Wolverine can dodge light speed attacks and the Flash from a post thats entire purpose was that neither Wolverine or Namor can dodge light?
Originally posted by srankmissingninOh this was relatively unrelated I was just curious. People dodging lasers seems to always be brought up, be it Spider-Man, Wolverine, Captain America or Daredevil. So I've always wondered whether that would mean under the same logic Wolverine can dodge the Flash if he's only allowed to move in straight lines and at light speed.
My point was that dodging an energy attack doesn't equal dodging light speed attacks since the speed of said attacks are ambiguous at best and for the most part no where near speed. Seriously, how did you get that I think Wolverine can dodge light speed attacks and the Flash from a post thats entire purpose was that neither Wolverine or Namor can dodge light?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh this was relatively unrelated I was just curious. People dodging lasers seems to always be brought up, be it Spider-Man, Wolverine, Captain America or Daredevil. So I've always wondered whether that would mean under the same logic Wolverine can dodge the Flash if he's only allowed to move in straight lines and at light speed.
No... the answer is no.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then I don't see why dodging lasers, or bullets even is ever really brought up in any vs debates.Dodging straight line c Flash and dodging lasers are sort of corollaries.
I don't believe that anyone (except DarkCrawler apparently) thinks that dodging lasers is a light speed accomplishment though. I lump into the same category as bullet dodging, slightly above but only just.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Even bullets move at something around Mach 4 or so. Does that mean if WW can only move in straight lines and is only going at Mach 4 or so she'll never hit them.
If she limits her speed to Mach 4, then yeah I would think most street levels dodge the hell out of her... assuming they know shes coming.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIf she was flying at them from a hundred metres away maybe. If she was something like 20 metres, a range at which bullets are shot commonly.... Something moving at Mach 4 travels 20 metres in roughly 0.01 of a second. If you could use all that time to move just half a metre to dodge it, and disregard that people have to think to move etc. you'd have to move at 110 mph.
If she limits her speed to Mach 4, then yeah I would think most street levels dodge the hell out of her... assuming they know shes coming.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If she was flying at them from a hundred metres away maybe. If she was something like 20 metres, a range at which bullets are shot commonly.... Something moving at Mach 4 travels 20 metres in roughly 0.01 of a second. If you could use all that time to move just half a metre to dodge it, and disregard that people have to think to move etc. you'd have to move at 110 mph.
Cap has sprinted at 60mph (Wolverine has run at least 35mph on several occasions for sustained amounts of time) is a stretch to believe he could react twice as fast as he could sprint?
Originally posted by srankmissingninThis is actually excluding reaction. This is just purely the speed of movement required to move a certain distance.
Cap has sprinted at 60mph (Wolverine has run at least 35mph on several occasions for sustained amounts of time) is a stretch to believe he could react twice as fast as he could sprint?
Originally posted by bigbran
When has Wolverine ever dodged something that was the speed of light?
Or caught something mach 2?
what are you retated?... oh yes i forgot sorry 😱
anyway if you would look at the other pages of the post you could see that i posted scans where wolverine was chatching bulet after bulet and they all went faster then much 2 ... a sniper is much faster and wolverine caught a sniper bullet in wolverine darkness .... get it mister " i b*tch that wolverine cut tanos 🙁 "
and srank is right, dont compare lasers or bullets to the speed of light...damn all the x-men can avoid laser shots in there basic training, its not a great feture you know,flash is going by far faster then a bullet or mach 3-4 so you cant compare that , and all the scans of namor that were brought here doesnt show him being faster at all, some of them are just a fight it doesnt have anything to do with speed, i showed you scans where wolverine does thing that people couldnt even see , face it you dont have any prove that namor is faster... you know why? because he isnt
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
As I've said before this is an impressive speed feat... but Namor is underwater and he is far faster/stronger submersed in water then he is on land.
No, he is not unless he is dehydrated. It's hydration, not being in water. It has been that for years.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Also an impressive display of speed although one that has been matched by Wolverine. Wolverine's burst of speed when he sliced an entire suit of body armor of Giest that was grafted to his frame in the blink of an eye with out harming Giest is equally impressive... and unlike Namor, Wolverine has duplicated that feat... and unlike Namor he didn't strain himself in the process.
It's not NEAR that impressive. Wolverine' feat maybe took ten slashes at best, Namor's needed at least a hundred hand movements...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... sorry DC but I don't get it. Is it the speed lines (which mean little by the way) that I'm supposed to be looking at? Or am I supposed to be impressed by the way he over power that guy? I'd say that is more of a strength feat then anything... but I guess timing and reflexes played a part. Not really that impressive though.
The fact that he turns the hands of that guy AFTER he has fired the blast.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Don't really know how fast those asteroids where moving though do we? Even if they were exceedingly fast they were moving horizontally while Namor was moving vertically making it an example of excellent timing an coordination.
Lowest speeds meteors are recorded of moving is Mach 32...
And it needed limb and reaction speed.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Still nothing that shows Namor superior to Wolverine in speed... in fact I'd say that overall this batch is worse then the last set of scans.
Three scans that are better then any feat of Wolverine's...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Na but he did show he was susceptible to speed blitzes from behind and all that did was leave him dazed for a second or two... literally.
You think that is the only time Wolverine has been helpless?
Think again.
Let's start with everybody's favorite green guy..Hulk. Wolverine is helpless until Hulk punches him away.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9335/hulk1fz4.jpg
Same story here, except Hulk uses his own momentum against himself against Wolverine who is already nearly being knocked out...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7810/hulk2iz5.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2512/hulk3cj5.jpg
I guess this counts too, seeing as Wolverine says it himself.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7429/hulk4jx4.jpg
How Wolverine started his career:
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2783/hulk5bb9.jpg
Colossus has had his own share of it too.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7053/colossus1oe3.jpg
Sasquath has made Wolverine unable to act too...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2008/sasquath1mj9.jpg
Twice.
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3105/sasquath2nm3.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/79/sasquath3cy4.jpg
You already know Wonder Man, don't you?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5332/wonderman1tg7.jpg
And I just thought to post this as in comparision...to see what happens when they *gasp* DON'T stop punching him.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1739/wend1lg6.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5820/wend2co8.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8903/wend3kl9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6753/wend4ae7.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8914/wend5un1.jpg
Okay, that was what I could dig up in ten minutes, if I had more time to research Wolverine's appearences, you bet I could find ten times as more stuff like that.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think it is entirely possible for Wolverine to beat Namor with out even getting hit if he wanted to. He has the advantage or reach (deadly reach) and he is a much smaller target with a lower center of gravity. Even at his full height Wolverine is more then a foot shorter then Namor and when he fights he crouches down to almost half his five foot stature. Do you how simple it would be someone like that (and who also happens to be an amazing combatant) to negate an opponents strength and use their own tremendous momentum against them to fling them over their shoulder? It would be a cake walk and it wouldn't be much harder to ram a claw into his opponents armpit (or just hit the nerve cluster there) while he did it. Hell Wolverine could forgo using any type of skill and just slip under Namor's guard and give him a bar hug while mauling him with his claws. The likely hood of Namor getting hit with a barrage of claws far exceed the changes of Wolverine being pummeled by Namor.
Heh, all that would result is either Namor just moving out of the way or just simply flying upwards, and then Wolverine would get smacked in the back of his neck/kicked in his face.
Or he could just kick Wolverine when he attempts to come at him...Wolverine may have reach advantage when it comes to hands, but Namor's way longer legs give him advantage. He could simply...kick him in the face.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's understandable though, kind of hard to punch anything with forces that can shatter mountains when your body is being stabbed to death in berserker barrage...
What, Wolverine is allowed to dodge and Namor isn't?
I guess he can't fly either? Or punch him with full power? Or punch him more then once?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If she was flying at them from a hundred metres away maybe. If she was something like 20 metres, a range at which bullets are shot commonly.... Something moving at Mach 4 travels 20 metres in roughly 0.01 of a second. If you could use all that time to move just half a metre to dodge it, and disregard that people have to think to move etc. you'd have to move at 110 mph.
Spider-Man would be able to dodge her. The others can't. They dodge bullets by mobing out of the way before the bullets are fired. Spider-man is the only one mentioned who actually dodge them after they're fired. So Wonderwoman coming straight on at Spider-Man is dodged, but the others are hit unless they discern where she going before she actually starts moving
