Marvel Bias vs. DC Bias · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

thedude1948 Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So you really think a character in somics could manipulate a real human being?

What the hell are you talking about.

Sixth_Winged Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For one, Spiderman would not find it so easy to kick mr. miracles ass. not at all
For two, The beyonder was never shown to be more powerful than toaa. and the presence and the toaa can't be equals if anyone can challenge him but himself.
as far as the way you say mxy was shown in a non cannon cross over, it was cannon with the advent of the kingdom wich then got abandoned. but at the time, it was cannon. I could say, non cannon beyonder was never shown doing any of the things mxy was shown doing. your saying he was way above the lvl of mxy based on what? On panel Hyperbole?

Amazing use of the term hyperbole.
Now please answer this questions and requests.

1) Since you say beyonder has never shown to be more powerful than toaa, exactly what feats does the toaa have that you are comparing beyonder's with?
2) how could it be cannon at the time where it was listed specifically as elseworld in the cover?
3) where did this non-canon beyonder appear exactly?
4) on panel hyperbole, please discuss further. Any scan at all?

galan7777777 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by thedude1948
Thanos with the HOTU was not equal to TOAA, He was manipulating him with it the whole time.

this is true, and also remember that thanos with the heart was as powerful as toaa, but he lacked the omniscents of toaa, as did the beyonder

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

But seriously: The writer is not TOAA
It's his imagination that is, what do you think limit the writers power? - Imagination.

So if Mike Tyson would go and kill the author/writer would he then havbe more power than the former writer, no becuase he lacks in imagination. However in physical strg, he is more powerful.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Well... He was actually refering to the writers... He later stated it I belive. But Beyonder was stated (-by Stan Lee) to have the power of the writers as well.

Every omnipotent being has the power of the writer. Look at what Mr. mxy can do. He has NEVER shown any limitation. He is completely free to do what ever the writer can dream up.

MattDay Senior Member

oh dear, this is balancing on insane levels, they are ink on a page... nothing more... people will believe anything now days!

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Acording to statements he was Marvel Multi-verse and everything beyond, how can TOAA be more than that?

TOAA was introduced AFTER the Beyonder as being top dog in ALL OF MARVEL. All that is beyond still falls into the Marvel omniverse, so it's still under his domain. And anyway, I thought that the Beyonder was supposed to represent all that was beyond, but not the mainstream Marvel Multiverse? In which case he would definatly be under TOAA as TOAA has dominion over the mainstream Marvel Multiverse and the Beyond.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Every omnipotent being has the power of the writer. Look at what Mr. mxy can do. He has NEVER shown any limitation. He is completely free to do what ever the writer can dream up.

He have limitations, the same limits as the ALE have.

The Multi-versal destruction isnt a big feat the Nullifier can accomplish it.
It cannot think for itself though and therefore not manipulate it the same way as Mxy, but that comes down to intelligence, not power.

The nullifier can't think for itself, Mxy can.
But with a (smart) user, the Nullifer could manipulate the Multi-verse the same way as Myx.
Still with even the smartest user, it cannot be comnpered to an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet, and seriuosly not a complete Gauntlet.

thedude1948 Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But seriously: The writer is not TOAA
It's his imagination that is, what do you think limit the writers power? - Imagination.
So if Mike Tyson would go and kill the author/writer would he then havbe more power than the former writer, no becuase he lacks in imagination. However in physical strg, he is more powerful.

I dont know what you are trying to get at. But im pretty sure comic book characters are not real people.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by darthgoober
TOAA was introduced AFTER the Beyonder as being top dog in ALL OF MARVEL. All that is beyond still falls into the Marvel omniverse, so it's still under his domain. And anyway, I thought that the Beyonder was supposed to represent all that was beyond, but not the mainstream Marvel Multiverse? In which case he would definatly be under TOAA as TOAA has dominion over the mainstream Marvel Multiverse and the Beyond.

He was one with the Multi-verse and everything beyond, just like Thanos was.
But now the Beyond realm no longer exist, the beyond realm now is a cosmic cube.
Since he was supose to be the character who showed the readers which power the wrtier had, I belive he was like TOAA.

He could shatter the entire timestream. (In other words make so Marvel never existed)
He was one with everything that was.
He putted limitations on himself.

Pretty much the old version of TOAA.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by thedude1948
I dont know what you are trying to get at. But im pretty sure comic book characters are not real people.

I was just trying to say that, TOAA is a fictional (comicbook) being.
Which powers are based on the writers imagination.

Sixth_Winged Senior Member

thing is, we're not even sure if TOAA and the Prescence or GEB or whatever operates in an omniversal level. They might be touted as supreme beings in thier companies, but we're not even sure the scope of their influence to be judging these things.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

They are surely not Omniversal beings (connected to all companies)
That would mean they they are the same. But marvel have its version and DC have its.
Presence is bond to the DCU he cannot act outside it.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He have limitations, the same limits as the ALE have.
The Multi-versal destruction isnt a big feat the Nullifier can accomplish it.
It cannot think for itself though and therefore not manipulate it the same way as Mxy, but that comes down to intelligence, not power.
The nullifier can't think for itself, Mxy can.
But with a (smart) user, the Nullifer could manipulate the Multi-verse the same way as Myx.
Still with even the smartest user, it cannot be comnpered to an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet, and seriuosly not a complete Gauntlet.

Mxy can do things the UN cannot. He can even control souls, and minds. He can flip abstracts upside down like nothing. He can make it so nothing ever dreams, or nothing ever breaks, or nothing ever dies. The UN hasn't been shown to have that lvl of power. I dont know how your comparing Mxy to an instument of destruction.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He was one with the Multi-verse and everything beyond, just like Thanos was.
But now the Beyond realm no longer exist, the beyond realm now is a cosmic cube.
Since he was supose to be the character who showed the readers which power the wrtier had, I belive he was like TOAA.
He could shatter the entire timestream. (In other words make so Marvel never existed)
He was one with everything that was.
He putted limitations on himself.
Pretty much the old version of TOAA.

You can't go on about how they're fictional characters, and then keep bringing up the power of the writers, you can't have it both ways. If we are talking about them as fictional characters then all he was was all that was beyond the multiverse, which TOAA had dominion over as it was still part of the Marvel omniverse. If your talking about the power given to them by the creators, then yes he had the power of the writers, but TOAA is the head of Marvel Comics who employs the writers, and tells them what they can and can't write about. Either way, TOAA is above him.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They are surely not Omniversal beings (connected to all companies)
That would mean they they are the same. But marvel have its version and DC have its.
Presence is bond to the DCU he cannot act outside it.

Just like the beyonder, no matter how you put it, is bound to marvel. which means he is not anymore powerful than the sum total of marvel if they choose to make him that way. but then he would be above the one above all and basically still be only equal to the presence. since he wasn't the one above all, he is somewhere in mxy's power range.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mxy can do things the UN cannot. He can even control souls, and minds. He can flip abstracts upside down like nothing. He can make it so nothing ever dreams, or nothing ever breaks, or nothing ever dies. The UN hasn't been shown to have that lvl of power. I dont know how your comparing Mxy to an instument of destruction.

The biggest feat ever Mxy have done is shattered the Multi-verse.
The biggest feat the Nullifier have accomplished is the same.
There are lesser beings who can control minds, dreams ect.

mighty adam Senior Member

if your a comic fan you shouldn't be bias period you should read both marvel and dc.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The biggest feat ever Mxy have done is shattered the Multi-verse.
The biggest feat the Nullifier have accomplished is the same.
There are lesser beings who can control minds, dreams ect.

Not on a universal lvl. NOt all of it in one being. Even the beyonder could not make people love or think the way he wanted them to.

Sixth_Winged Senior Member

Actually UN both destroyed the multiverse completely(while killing off abraxas) and rebuild it the same exact way as before...cept w/o abraxas.