Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, you are not showing them love. 😉YOU ATTACK EVERYONE!
You are very vocal but your comments are unfounded. How have I not shown Jehovah's Witnesses love? If you are going to be accusatory (and this is your modus operandi) then substantiate your claim that I have attacked this person.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are very vocal but your comments are unfounded. How have I not shown Jehovah's Witnesses love? If you are going to be accusatory (and this is your modus operandi) then substantiate your claim that I have attacked this person.
So, you are not aware of the hate you post? I forgive you then.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you are not aware of the hate you post? I forgive you then.
You still have not defined or substantiated your accusatory claims that you direct at me regularly. If I post a Bible excerpt you call it lies. Then you say that I am spreading lies. I post someone's personal near-death experience and you falsely accuse me of "attacking" that person. I have done nothing of the sort. Why do you do and say these things about me falsely?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You still have not defined or substantiated your accusatory claims that you direct at me regularly. If I post a Bible excerpt you call it lies. Then you say that I am spreading lies. I post someone's personal near-death experience and you falsely accuse me of "attacking" that person. I have done nothing of the sort. Why do you do and say these things about me falsely?
You're posts speak for themselves.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Here is Shak's false, unfounded accusation just like all of his other ones are. Shak. you have yet to substantiate your charge that I am attacking Jehovah's Witnesses.
Ex-Jehovah Witness Learns the Witnesses lie about our Spirit Bodies
I know you did not write the article, but did you read it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Here is Shak's false, unfounded accusation just like all of his other ones are. Shak. you have yet to substantiate your charge that I am attacking Jehovah's Witnesses.
This is rediculous....all your posts are unfounded, biased, and nonsensical accusations. NO ONE is going to defend you.
Originally posted by Mithlond
CULT1.
a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4a. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
b. followers of such a regimen
5.
a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
b. The object of such devotion.
6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.I guess I'm thinking along no4 here, except you could think of 'curing a disease' as 'saving people from damnation' with elements of 1 as in it is seen as extremist and/or false.
Hmmm, sounds alot like atheism to me!
Atheism
1. Worship yourself, nobody really matters unless you was brought up otherwise.
2. A nonscientific method(evolution) or regimen claimed by its originator(Darwin) to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
3. Obsessive(People who get into it seem to get stuck with it)
4. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic interest. (The disliking of religion)
5. usually considered false.
Yep
Originally posted by O Green World
Hmmm, sounds alot like atheism to me!Atheism
1. Worship yourself, nobody really matters unless you was brought up otherwise.
2. A nonscientific method(evolution) or regimen claimed by its originator(Darwin) to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
3. Obsessive(People who get into it seem to get stuck with it)
4. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic interest. (The disliking of religion)
5. usually considered false.Yep
None of these posts are representative of atheism at all.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know you did not write the article, but did you read it.
Of course I read it...? Now, why did you accuse me of attacking Jehovah's Witness? Shak, the only reason that I am insistent that you explain to me why you have accused me falsely is because I percieve and believer (firmly) that you do this often. But everytime I believe that it is unwarranted. So, I guess I am still waiting for you to justify your insinuation. I will not let you get out of this one this issue needs to be settled and resolved once and for all. I know what an attack is. What I did (and all I did was post someone's personal testimony of a near-death experience) does not constitute and attack. I want to know why you view it as an attack on Jehovah's Witnesses. Why are you running from your own mess? You caused the controversy and now that you are being held accountable you have nothing to say?
JIA, you posted a large article purporting to demonstrate that JWs are perpetuating a lie. By any reasonable definition, that was an anti-JW artcile you posted, and so therefore you did post an attack on Witnesses.
Asking for justification for a stsatement you did that, when the fact that yoiu did is plain for all to see, is a waste of everyone's time. You will have to accept that what you did is reasonably construed as attack.
In response to the topic, I would say that yes they are a bit more cultish than the rest, although I agree with popular opinion here that it is a matter of semantics anyway being that all religions are somewhat of a cult, but the major difference with JW being that they're a bit more extremist in their beliefs and in someways forcibly so. Not to mention the fact that it was started by a rich millionaire.
Their ideology is basically if you are not part of their religion and you do not believe what they say you're branded as an outsider and you're forbidden to associate with outsiders. Basically the message is if you do not accept their word as gospel truth you will die on judgement day when the Armageddon comes. Almost like a cleansing if you will. There is no such thing as a heaven or hell when it comes to human beings. It's only salvation and damnation. If you survive you will live in a God made paradise right here on Earth and if you die you just cease to exist period, no belief in souls or spirits but they do believe in angels and demons and satan himself except instead of reigning in Hell he walks among us right here on Earth. No belief in purgatory..etc.
I had a friend who was a JW, they're rules were extremely strict. He was not allowed to make friends or have girlfriends outside his religion. He was not allowed to fornicate or even engage in any behavior that would eventually lead to fornication. He was not allowed to celebrate holidays or even his very own birthday. He was a great guy, real funny too, had a great sense of humor but in the end under pressure from his religious brothers and his family, he ended up choosing his religion over me. I understood, to each his own I suppose. I still kinda miss em to this day. I truly hope he's happy and wish him nothing but the best. Btw, the thing that made him so funny is that among the things I mentioned you were also not allowed to curse, this guy could crack you up without saying a single curse word, that's how funny he was.
As far as the article goes, either this whole story is bogus or that woman doesn't remember her teachings well. JWs believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. They believe in God 'Jehova' and Jesus Christ his son. They do not believe in the so called 'Trinity' ideology of them all being the same person or of Jesus as a God himself, so this part of the article is definitely incorrect and completely untrue.
Some Jehovah's Witnesses showed up at my door this morning. I was still in bed, so they got me in my boxers and a Steelers jersey I managed to throw on before answering.
Part of me wants to take them in and debate the sh*t out of them sometime when they show up. If nothing else, KMC has helped me with the ability to defend myself on a moment's notice against all sorts of ideas and claims, religious or otherwise. But another part of me knows that I'd end up frustrated and/or annoyed with the whole thing.
Cultish? Sure, probably. But as most have been saying, religions usually inherently possess cultish tendencies. Hell, I was in an active church youth group back in the day, and we jokingly referred to ourselves as a cult. Chances are there was some truth to it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
They actually seem a lot more reasonable than most christian sects, from what I understand of their beliefs.
...which reminds me: Can somebody Cliff's Note them for me? I'm a former Catholic and am familiar with a few other Christian denominations, but not this one. There's just too many brands of crazy to familiarize myself with them all.