Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Well thier just contradicting themselves. The earlier fight shown Thor just draining away his shield then smacking him senseless. Thor has attacks than can penetrate either magnetos or guardians shields. Id say gladiator could put a strain on either of thier shields as well.
Which makes no sense considering Magneto simply could've tampered with Mjolnir.
Or he could tamper with the iron in Thor's blood and f*ck him up that way. If you don't think that would be very effective, just ask poor Apocalypse. OUCH!!! 😑
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8623/magripsapartapocalypse4li.jpg
Or suck the life out of Thor via the "bottle effect" like he used against the Pheonix.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg
Oh, and Thor's lightning would be the absolute worst thing for him to do, considering Magneto could just absorb the energy out of it and power himself up.
And to golem's post about Thor dropping them into another dimension. Well, Magneto has got that one easily covered. He could do the same to them, or to find their way back to the fight via a WORMHOLE!! (Excalibur Vol. 3 and X-Men: The End).
Or he could simply shut off the electrical impulses to both of their brains, along with Guardian.
Hell, I'm not even giving Guardian props for being another badass. However, I believe King Mungi will enlighten you all on how Guardian could also f*ck with them even more. Bottom line: Gladiator is Guardian's, and Thor is Magneto's. ✅
Originally posted by batdude123
Also, can't Guardian go at the speed of light anyway? 😗
Yeah, but we never saw him use it in combat. With his computer mind he probally could as he would have more control, but he's never needed to use it again which the first time he traveled at speeds faster than light and ended up thousands of years into the past.
Thor has reversed energy polarities on several occasions. Redirecting energys used against him. He could possibly reverse any magnetic energy either of them uses against him. BRB did it against ego and Thor sucked all the electromagnetic energy away from a celestial mothership. Draining off energys, reversing them or redirecting them is nothing new to Thor. Just look at what he did to hyperion. Transporting him away will do no good as he can just port back. Dimensional travel or otherwise.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Thor has reversed energy polarities on several occasions. Redirecting energys used against him. He could possibly reverse any magnetic energy either of them uses against him. BRB did it against ego and Thor sucked all the electromagnetic energy away from a celestial mothership. Draining off energys, reversing them or redirecting them is nothing new to Thor. Just look at what he did to hyperion. Transporting him away will do no good as he can just port back. Dimensional travel or otherwise.
Um, Thor trying to redirect the EM energy coming out from both Magneto AND Guardian (that's right, Guardian controls it too), wouldn't result very well for Thor. I've shown you that Magneto was f*cking with Mjolnir and flinging it out of Thor's hand while proceeding to beat the crap out of the other members of the Avengers. And I'm not saying that Magneto would fire direct EM energy on Thor. That would pretty dumb considering what he can do with Mjolnir. However, Magneto can effect the environment better than ANYBODY. He could easily use the environment to Guardian and his advantage.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4781/magsripsapartground8du.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1496/magcontrolsearth2gf.jpg
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/2991/magdropsanmountain6di.jpg
Btw, a brick like Hyperion (barring the speedblitz) isn't anything like Magneto at all. Especially since even BLINK teleporting in SAND beat him. Not to mention the other embarassing feats Hyperion has.
Again, there's the iron in the blood option for him.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/940/magripsapartneo7do.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8623/magripsapartapocalypse4li.jpg
And COME ON!!! Sucking the life out of the PHEONIX via the bottle effect!!! That's priceless!!!
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg
Oh, and this one's just for fun. 😖hifty:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetoripslogansadamantiumoutqy9.jpg
Im not dismissing magneto at all. Its just that Thor has clearly shown that he can absorb. redirect, amplify or reverse just about any form of energy. Magnatism is clearly one of them. No matter what magneto tried to do he is still useing those energies to do it. Thiers absolutly no proof that he couldent do this to magneto but several feats showing he could. Thor fighting smart wouldent throw mjolnir at magneto. He wouldent give magneto many chances to mess with it. Fighting smart he would just let him use his powers them either absorb them or redirect them at him amplified. The blood trick or any of the others it dosnt matter, it still takes magnatism to do it. If he employs magnatism against Thor, Thor can defend against it. Hes done it befor. As far as the more exotic powers Thor has taken souls and moved from one body to another. Im not getting into stuff like that. Like I said thiers many examples of Thor controlling magnatism and controlling energy on a universal scale. Thier is absolutly no reason he cant do the same here. As well they dont have to direct the energy at Thor for him to absorb it. Just useing it in the vicinity is enough.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im not dismissing magneto at all. Its just that Thor has clearly shown that he can absorb. redirect, amplify or reverse just about any form of energy. Magnatism is clearly one of them. No matter what magneto tried to do he is still useing those energies to do it. Thiers absolutly no proof that he couldent do this to magneto but several feats showing he could. Thor fighting smart wouldent throw mjolnir at magneto. He wouldent give magneto many chances to mess with it. Fighting smart he would just let him use his powers them either absorb them or redirect them at him amplified. The blood trick or any of the others it dosnt matter, it still takes magnatism to do it. If he employs magnatism against Thor, Thor can defend against it. Hes done it befor.
You're making it seem like it's IMPOSSIBLE to defeat Thor via energy when I've seen it being done PLENTY of times. Thor isn't immune or anything like that to the energy output. If Magneto messes with Mjolnir and takes it out of his hand, that means Thor couldn't do anything to him.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg
With Mjolnir out of the way, Thor would be nearly helpless. And Magneto has done that TWICE so don't tell me it wouldn't be effective against Thor. 🙄
I don't even think you looked at my scans before. Effecting the environment would play a huge role in using advantages to one's side. And, as I've shown, Magneto has that done pat. He's even encased Hercules in that and sent him flying.
http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutants04014jc4.jpg (Note: he was even holding WAY back in that fight against the Avengers. 🙂)
And electrical blasts from Mjolnir would simply power both Magneto and Guardian up. ✅
And Magneto can also effect stuff on a molecular level.
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2610/magtakesonplasticandceramic7lu.jpg
Guardian and Magneto ftw. 🙂
Thor isnt gonna blast them with lightning. Im sorry but you can show scans all day of magneto doing this and that but its not proof that Thor cant do what Ive stated. Im not saying its immposible to defeat Thor, Im saying its very hard to defeat him useing energy. I could show you scans of Thor doing it to SS, Thanos and many lower than them. Just jerking mjolnir from his hand may not work. It is quite possible Thor would be expecting him to try that and reverse the attack. You may not like what Im saying but you cant deny the truth of it. Hes done it on panel many, many times. Also Thor can control the enviroment to a good extent himself. He has used wins strong enough to knock Surter down ect. Blanketing an entire planet with lightning ect.
Thor can work at the molecular level to. He transformed the absorbing man into helium on one occasion. Pretty much any feat you can give for either magneto/guardian I can give one of Thors thats equal to or better. Not with magnatism mind you but overall and most likely the energy dept. Thor has controlled energy on a univeral scale, made a sun defeated both galactus and ego useing energy.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Thor isnt gonna blast them with lightning.
Maybe not, however it takes away that possibility from Thor.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im sorry but you can show scans all day of magneto doing this and that but its not proof that Thor cant do what Ive stated.
Um... okay. However, I've shown more than enough evidence that Magneto could fight Thor evenly, if not, beat him. 😕 Magneto is severly underestimated here.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im not saying its immposible to defeat Thor
I hope not, considering he's DONE it before. 😉
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Im saying its very hard to defeat him useing energy.
VERY HARD, but not impossible. Hell, he's defeated Jean as the Phoenix. 🙂 Don't blame me for Magneto being so powerful without any recognition. 🙁
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I could show you scans of Thor doing it to SS
Really? Well I could show you Captain Universe Spider-man's powers (who was = to the Surfer) being deflected away from Magneto with a simple gesture.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Thanos.
How many times has Thanos punked Thor? Yeah, TOO many times...
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Just jerking mjolnir from his hand may not work.
*Ahem*
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
It is quite possible Thor would be expecting him to try that and reverse the attack.
That's possible, however, that kind of implies that Thor would be getting a slight amount of prep for the fight. Fact is, he's had it taken away from him before TWICE. What happened the second time? 😑
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
You may not like what Im saying but you cant deny the truth of it. Hes done it on panel many, many times.
I know. I'm not denying it at all. However, you also can't deny the scans I'm showing you either.
No Im not denying anything you have said at all. You have presented your case well. We really have come to a impass of sorts. Both our opinions are based in fact and on panel feats. I am not really debating on the winner as I see glads as more of a *scratches head* a distraction for the other team than a real threat. Also I hate it when people use "avenger" Thor *sigh* He was so badly written there. Though I cant overlook what happened in the avenger comics either. Like in their one on one battle he cant wrest mjolnir from Thor but in the avengers he could *shrug* I dont belittle magneto at all. You have shown proof that he could beat Thor no doubt, I have proof that Thor "has already" beaten magneto*wink, wink* Like I said we both have what I think are solid opinion based on feats and facts. I guess when it comes down to it, it could go either way. I just think my ways better, LOL.
