T-vo is gone!!!! I just dirtied my keyboard!!

Oh happy day!!!

Oh happy day!!

When Busiek rinsed......the stink of T-vo away!!

Oh happy day!!!

Oh happy day!!

Here the link!

http://www.comicboards.com/superman/view.php?rpl=060903190338

Enjoy!! 😮‍💨 😈

Not really.

On the other hand, I haven't checked on this, so who knows, maybe Geoff is planning a big Torquasm story for ACTION. But I doubt it.

In other words, it's about as valid as it ever was.

Screw you for bringing your damn dirty precipitation to my parade!!

But at least i wasn't the only one who thought it was a stinker for the Man of Steel.

Superman has magic, but is also somewhat vulnerable to magic?!
Worst equation ever DeMattis!

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Originally posted by Validus
Not really.

In other words, it's about as valid as it ever was.

Pretty much.

It's in continuity and another writer may love the idea and expand upon it.

While at first I didn't know how to react to it, after reading some of the T-vo stuff, now I actually don't mind it. His battle with the Eradicator (another advanced T-vo user) was pretty awesome.

People complain that Superman is a boring brick, yet he's given an ability that has cool options/possibilities to it and they still complain.

I'm amazed at how much resistance/hate it's gotten from a lot of the forum members.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Pretty much.

It's in continuity and another writer may love the idea and expand upon it.

While at first I didn't know how to react to it, after reading some of the T-vo stuff, now I actually don't mind it. His battle with the Eradicator (another advanced T-vo user) was pretty awesome.

People complain that Superman is a boring brick, yet he's given an ability that has cool options/possibilities to it and they still complain.

I'm amazed at how much resistance/hate it's gotten from a lot of the forum members.

People complain about his boringness, probably never read a book of his.

T-vo was(imo) assjuice though. Pureed and aged.

Professor X was in good shape before he went all Martin Luther in a wheelchair.

Does that mean he should get a class 20 master blow equivalent, since he was in good shape before the accident, since its part of his history??

Nope, cuz its crappy and alien to the character.

Or should Hulk be able to project and astrally dominate the astral plane, since he could always see Astral figures??

Nope, cuz thats not his schtick.

T-vo goes against the physical draw and presence of Superman.

To quote somebody ......

Kase "I don't see how dumping Torquasm-Vo is ^limiting^ Superman. It wasn't even a practical ability for Supes. NOBODY wants to see Superman practicing Kryptonian martial arts on a Wednesday night in his boxers, and whoever says he does is a ****in' liar. "

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Superman studying Bruce Lee or his Kryptonian equivalent is laughable. Highly.

Martial arts is fine. Mental martial arts is not.

I think the problem from forum members just came from not understanding it. Most viewed it as instant win tool for Superman and I'm not sure they're incorrect with that assumption.

Superman studying martial arts is laughable to me at least.

It might be practical, but totally alien to his concept.

The last thing i wanna see, is Superman deflecting the OE with a hadouken.
Or pulling a whirlwind kick.

What exactly do you think his concept is? Only problem I see is that it might step on WW's toes a little bit since Class 100 MA is kind of her shtick. I'm not saying he should be on her level but a guy who hangs around her and Batman has to pick up a few moves.

The ironic thing is people say the Handbook refering to the JLA/Avengers crossover does not make it cannon cause there is no comic reference to it. But when a writer thinks Superman does not have T-Vo anymore it's all fine and dandy. Even though it was never stated in a comic.

Originally posted by Validus
What exactly do you think his concept is? Only problem I see is that it might step on WW's toes a little bit since Class 100 MA is kind of her shtick. I'm not saying he should be on her level but a guy who hangs around her and Batman has to pick up a few moves.

He's the brawny man that doesn't dodge or reverse the punch or kick, simply cuz it won't hurt him.
And i didn't say it wasn't realistic.
Just alien to Superman.

Superman dropping into the Horse stance is so wrong in my eyes, that i wanna cry.
Him taking out Parademons with akido is laughable.

Superman is the slobber knocker character. He takes the hit, cuz likely it won't hurt.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He's the brawny man that doesn't dodge or reverse the punch or kick, simply cuz it won't hurt him.

Originally posted by UniOmni
People complain about his boringness, probably never read a book of his.

T-vo was(imo) assjuice though. Pureed and aged.

Professor X was in good shape before he went all Martin Luther in a wheelchair.

Does that mean he should get a class 20 master blow equivalent, since he was in good shape before the accident, since its part of his history??

Nope, cuz its crappy and alien to the character.

Or should Hulk be able to project and astrally dominate the astral plane, since he could always see Astral figures??

Nope, cuz thats not his schtick.

T-vo goes against the physical draw and presence of Superman.

To quote somebody ......

Kase "I don't see how dumping Torquasm-Vo is ^limiting^ Superman. It wasn't even a practical ability for Supes. NOBODY wants to see Superman practicing Kryptonian martial arts on a Wednesday night in his boxers, and whoever says he does is a ****in' liar. "

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Superman studying Bruce Lee or his Kryptonian equivalent is laughable. Highly.

The fact that just about anything that is done with Superman strikes such strong emotion is what makes the character so great.

I have no problem with Superman studying his spiritual side, and learning Martial arts both of mind and body.

It keeps the character from getting stale, and it's not like he uses it for an instant win in every book. It's been used in some crazy ways yes..but also in some simple, cool ways.

The character has been around over 60 years and has had FAR more ridiculous powers in his career. T-vo is far from the worst. Written correctly, it could be a highly interesting addition to his development.

Its probably only gone for the forseeable future as long as Kurt is writing it.

But yes, T-Vo is a stupid idea thats should be retconned.

well maybe it was the writers way of hinting superman's great hidden power and maybe a relation to Roa... but now it might get scrambled up and forgotten, don't care either way really, but it was nice to see superman actually doing something with his heritage other than stating "I'm kryptonian" .. yea we know that!

Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman studying martial arts is laughable to me at least.

It might be practical, but totally alien to his concept.

The last thing i wanna see, is Superman deflecting the OE with a hadouken.
Or pulling a whirlwind kick.

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What comic is that Avy?? Does it come in trade form??

And the idea is still shitty. And screams of the 90's to me.

Uni, that link doesn't mean ANYTHING. 😐

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
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I just can't help to 😂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
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