Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
[B]How can you focus a planet busting laser cannon froma Death Star on a single individual, and even if you could, there would be no point...
Obviously that doesnt happen. But what I am remarking on is that the Supreme Commander would be the objective of the Deathstar in this scenario. Everything else is just a robot.
If your reffering simply to an orbital bombardment from a few Star destroyers, remember, those Heavy turboblasters are measured in the Gigaton range, enough to glass the surface of the entire planet...
I knew it was around that much (been frequenting Spacebattles forums too much 🙂 )
The Glass comment is simply reffering to the effect of slagging the surface of a planet and making it uninhabitable... mainly because there's no atmosphere, and no safe place to inhabit anymore, the entire planet is a lava river. (This is for those of you who don't know the term 😛 )
Originally posted by doan_m
You know, resorting to superweapons is kind of like saying.
"We admit we cant defeat you on the ground so were going to be a bunch of cheap bastards and nuke you from orbit where its safe"
Dude, Luke Skywalker would trash him alone like he was nothing. No weapon he has could even get close to him, the fact that Luke Skywalker destroyes an ARMY of robots with a wave of his hand, and is impossible to see if he wants to. He can also make illusions of himself. And the fact that he at an earlier stage in his life, ripped out a motor of a star destroy, makes it easy for him to rip the Supreme Commander apart...
Now if we are talking ground armys, he should be outtaken anyway. The fact that burning thought said "half the Star Wars universe" makes it space ships as well, but whatever. He would face overwhealming numbers, with weapons far above normal nuclear blasts.... A nuclear safe shell won't be enough, Star Wars is far past that. They do not only have armour above that, but they have shields around their ships and equipment, protecting them even more. And they have AT-AT's which armour is near undestroyable, and their canons are powerful, can be charged enough to destroy an asteroid....
And he will be facing jedi and sith as well. I can name pretty many that would be able to take him out singlehandedly... 😄
how do you know he could be taken out single handadly, you odnt even know what his armours made out of, it may be immune to lasers and such, and you forget he can teleport offworld, so he could just port onto a stardestroyer or deathstar and smash in to pieces while on the dam thing
also no robot in Star wars is a hundreth the power of a supreme commander unit, nothing in SW that is on the surface is actually much of a thread to it at all, jedi powers and the force would not be enough, all it takes is one nuke to hit in a vicinity round luke and hed be toast...
Sup commander is near invincible, has hundreds of carrier type ships inside him as well, so he can send them out to help him cover the distance he needs to destroyer small and faster moving characters
Originally posted by kamikz
[B]Dude, Luke Skywalker would trash him alone like he was nothing. No weapon he has could even get close to him, the fact that Luke Skywalker destroyes an ARMY of robots with a wave of his hand,
Now if we are talking ground armys, he should be outtaken anyway.
He would face overwhealming numbers, with weapons far above normal nuclear blasts.... A nuclear safe shell won't be enough,
They do not only have armour above that, but they have shields around their ships and equipment, protecting them even more.
And they have AT-AT's which armour is near undestroyable,
and their cannons are powerful, can be charged enough to destroy an asteroid....
Luke actually stops blasts from way bigger things than nukes. If he fires a nuke, it will be sent right back onto him. Luke could toss him to hell and back, or how about the power "destroy droid" which destroys any droid, that's right, a power specifically made to destroy robots....
And tanks will be no bigger problem than the others, Luke could easily swipe them away. The fact that Luke could rip out the engine of a STAR DESTROYER (which is for your information damn much bigger than the SC, and it has a shield and heavy armour, this is also not full potential Luke) with ease, and can land one aswell by using the force alone. Or moving black holes with the force alone. Those feats are enough for me to say that, no matter how strong armour, he can rip the SC head off with ease, or toss him far into space.....
Is it a pilot that controls the SC? Didn't quite get what you said, but if there is, Luke kills him through the force the first second of the fight....
And the fact that the machines in SW, which could destroy asteroids with one single blast, will make the SC die quickly. I don't think he can handle such a large doze of fire coming in.
People who can beat him singlehandedly...
Luke.^
Sidious DE. He could create force storms which ripped thousands of ships apart at once, create wormholes etc. He can't possibly survive in one of those, worse yet, several....
Exar Kun: Could freeze him with a sith spell, making him unable to move...
And the fact that these very powerful force users easily could sense him. They sense what he is going to shoot, like a missile, and they can stop it whenever they want to. Like, blow up all his nukes when they are inside him or in his weapons or whatever. That would make for a touching display.
But hey, just remembered this ain't the right forum for this kind of debate, and if we continue this thread will most likley be closed. Stupid of me to bring back an reply!
Originally posted by kamikz
Luke actually stops blasts from way bigger things than nukes. If he fires a nuke, it will be sent right back onto him.
or how about the power "destroy droid" which destroys any droid, that's right, a power specifically made to destroy robots....
And tanks will be no bigger problem than the others, Luke could easily swipe them away.
The fact that Luke could rip out the engine of a STAR DESTROYER (which is for your information damn much bigger than the SC, and it has a shield and heavy armour, this is also not full potential Luke) with ease, and can land one aswell by using the force alone.
Or moving black holes with the force alone.
armour, he can rip the SC head off with ease, or toss him far into space.....[/QUOTE
Not if the Supreme Commander fires first with his megaton nuke.[QUOTE]
Is it a pilot that controls the SC? Didn't quite get what you said, but if there is, Luke kills him through the force the first second of the fight....
Really now, I havent seen Luke pull that off without acquiring visual target of the person. And who says Lukes going to get that close to the SupCom?
And the fact that the machines in SW, which could destroy asteroids with one single blast, will make the SC die quickly. I don't think he can handle such a large doze of fire coming in.
QUOTE]And the fact that these very powerful force users easily could sense him. They sense what he is going to shoot, like a missile, and they can stop it whenever they want to.[/QUOTE]
Really now, the force is quite selective on such matters.
Like, blow up all his nukes when they are inside him or in his weapons or whatever. That would make for a touching display.
Lol, I feel an irresistable urge to reply. Damn it, I have to... 😛
I don't think that is what happens. If the explosion occurs inside SC, or wherever he stocks these nuclear missiles, the explosion will be damn powerful, just because he can withstand nukes doesn't mean he can take like 20 at the same time? And if it protects him, then the explosion should never get out now should it? Either way, it's just for Luke to hold out his hand and stop the explosion from hitting him, like when Mace Windu held out his hand to stop the shockwaves from that machine on Dantooine. The smoke, shockwaves and droids that flew went beside him, while he himself was untouched.
How does Luke need to get close to kill the pilot? He can do like he did in the NJO, pinch a vessle in his brain, killing him instantly. He could also use a mindtrick, telling him to stop the machine....He can sense him through the force, besides, he can become invinsible, and he can make illusions of himself....
The black hole thing was to show that Luke can control a so freaking powerful thing, he can almost do anything with the force. Lifting the SC would be a joke, yet ripping him apart wouldn't be very hard either now would it? Doesn't really matter how strong the armour is, he has done that to things in the same league of armour in an earlier state of his life...
And the fact that a lightsaber can cut through almost anything doesn't make it more equal. Luke can move faster than than the eye can see, without increasing his physical ability through the force. Now imagine if he would.....
Originally posted by kamikzIn terms of explosive radius a nuke in Supcom may look like single digit megaton damage but the energies of a low gigaton- high triple digit megaton are compressed in the same radius, Color me unimpressed by the force shield for that thing only blocks off objects flying off the shield. Non stop nuclear energy raging on his force sheild will definitely bring him down.
I don't think that is what happens. If the explosion occurs inside SC, or wherever he stocks these nuclear missiles, the explosion will be damn powerful, just because he can withstand nukes doesn't mean he can take like 20 at the same time?And if it protects him, then the explosion should never get out now should it?
If the nukes do go of inside him then the nukes is the least of your concern. You would then set off the reactor powering the Supreme Commander which would result in a catastrophic explosion even worse then the nukes contained within.[QUOTE]Either way, it's just for Luke to hold out his hand and stop the explosion from hitting him, like when Mace Windu held out his hand to stop the shockwaves from that machine on Dantooine. The smoke, shockwaves and droids that flew went beside him, while he himself was untouched.
How does Luke need to get close to kill the pilot?
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He could also use a mindtrick, telling him to stop the machine....
He can sense him through the force,
besides, he can become invinsible,
The black hole thing was to show that Luke can control a so freaking powerful thing,
And the fact that a lightsaber can cut through almost anything doesn't make it more equal.
Luke can move faster than than the eye can see, without increasing his physical ability through the force. Now imagine if he would..... [/B]
the Sup commander is one awsome robot, also all the machines and technology inside the vehichle probably would disrupt the force so that luke cannot affect the pilot, anyway the pilot is not weak minded
also this is not mentioning the D-Gun, the thing can just about annihilate anythng, its like a mini nuke powered inside a laser that blasts along the ground, also does it say the yield of the nukes in Sup Commander, they have gone a long way since present day nukes, such nukes could have the power to annhilate the Earth, the Americans are said to have developed special Fusion Nukes that can blow up an entire country the size of Europe.......thats pretty impressive, luke would never survive it, even if he made it explode on the sup commander, it would annhilate luke
the commander in the original TA can survive about 10 of such nukes direct hitting him, i doubt know about sizes but i think the new Commanders in Sup commander is about 10x bigger and is even more high tech than the last one, nothing in star wars IMO except indestructable shps such as Sun crusher and such would beat the SC
teleportation, combined with D-gun and nukes, the dam thing could teleport on the Death star or a SSD, SD and annhilate it with a few nukes or D-gun it, and it would have no way of retaliating if the SC is on its engines or the back of it where there are hardly any or no guns...
Originally posted by doan_m
If the nukes do go of inside him then the nukes is the least of your concern. You would then set off the reactor powering the Supreme Commander which would result in a catastrophic explosion even worse then the nukes contained within.In terms of explosive radius a nuke in Supcom may look like single digit megaton damage but the energies of a low gigaton- high triple digit megaton are compressed in the same radius, Color me unimpressed by the force shield for that thing only blocks off objects flying off the shield. Non stop nuclear energy raging on his force sheild will definitely bring him down.
My point being is that Luke has to be in visual range in order to pull off any of those feats. Nukes can be launched at large distances way beyond the sights of Luke.
Mind tricks only work on the weak minded a soldier trained to pilot a skyscraper sized titan and manage and deploy an entire army of tanks, mechs, giant ships etc is DEFINITELY what you call weak minded.
It has been speculated that beings who are outside of the star wars are not affected by the force.
What and not be detected on sophisticated radar screens? Highly doubt it.
In terms of physical quality a Black hole is MUCH different from real physical objects and the force would have to be applied differently on real objects compared to something as intangible as a black hole.
he can almost do anything with the force.
No, again thats quite the fallacy. The more dense the material of an object is the harder it is to cut through it. WIth enough molecular density on the metal the lightsaber will have the same effect as chipping a nail through 6 meters of concrete. Not to mention cortosis shields and Yuzzhan Vong melee weapons(which blocks lightsabers entirely) have proven that lightsabers cant cut through everything.
Not fast enough to escape the blast radius of a nuke.
I have yet to see any proof that the force can augment you physically. Every time Darth Sidious entered a clone, the clone would deteriorate faster everytime he made a reentry. [/QUOTE]
As I said, the force is a shield to protect him if he wants to, like it protected him when he walked on lava...
He could easily blast the nukes away with the force, also tracking Luke from a distance wouldn't be very easy either, considering that Luke could make MULTIPLE illusions at once easily. The world could be swarming with illusions, more than enough to take the SC mind off Luke for the time, especially since Luke can become totally invisible.
Luke could sense and call out every single jedi in the galaxy (which required a a beacon in the jedi temple for the others) and he could sense damn much through the force, he sensed Vong who shouldn't even be able to be sensed. He would sense him, then pinch a vessle in his brain, THE END!
And no, a strong jedi can mind trick more than weak minded. Those are only for the jedi by PT. There was a sith who controlled a freaking number of 250 PLANETS with people on them. Are you really saying that all the millions of people on each planet are weak minded?
No, that is not true. The Vong WAS affected by the force, it was just that they were banned from the force, because of some odd reason. Apparently, they had the force to begin with, and they know it inside out.... And actually, they are not without the force either, they are on a different level of the force, the unifying force...
I said almost anything. Cortosis is specifically used to resist it, and vong armour only regenates them very fast, and is also made to resist them. I doubt the SC armour does that. Luke could easily make a hole and get in couldn't he?
And as I said, Luke doesn't have to worry about the nukes. And as I said before, what stops him from simply ripping of the head of the SC? He has done it to FAR bigger things, when he was WEAKER than he was now.....
And Luke in the NJO (Not DE man) states after he kills that Vong army (when he was moving faster than almost visible, and his lightsaber looked like 20, Luke himself looked like a malestorm of energy), said he could push himself even farther if he used the force to enhance himself....
And no, Luke destroyed a full army of battle droids with a wave of his hand, not a battalion....
battle droids are nothing, they are so thin and weak and their lasers so slow that they are not a worthy enemy
anyway theres still nothing to say wether lukes lightsaver could possibly cut through Supreme commanders, his armour is probably stronger than a star destroyer, and i doubt the force could protect him from a nuklear blast wave, he will have to defend against the explosion, the wave, the blast which is air, he cannot defend against air itself, otherwise hed suffercate in his own force shield 🙄
Also i dont think he stores nuklear weapons inside him, he launches them and then energy creates another one, he doesnt have a load stacked up inside, or at least i dont think so...there no reason to have a store if he can make them anyway.....also is this the UEF, Aeon illuminate or Cybran SC, the Cybran pilot is mostly robot, they wouldnt die from a simple think such as a pinch vessel
also size doesnt mean how heavey something is, its density and mass is more important, a stardestroyer may not be as heavey as SC (prob is) but theres nothing to say it is or isnt, a piece of paper the size of london, is probably not even a hundreth of the weight of a piece of steel or titanium a quarter of its size...
Originally posted by Burning thought
battle droids are nothing, they are so thin and weak and their lasers so slow that they are not a worthy enemyanyway theres still nothing to say wether lukes lightsaver could possibly cut through Supreme commanders, his armour is probably stronger than a star destroyer, and i doubt the force could protect him from a nuklear blast wave, he will have to defend against the explosion, the wave, the blast which is air, he cannot defend against air itself, otherwise hed suffercate in his own force shield 🙄
Also i dont think he stores nuklear weapons inside him, he launches them and then energy creates another one, he doesnt have a load stacked up inside, or at least i dont think so...there no reason to have a store if he can make them anyway.....also is this the UEF, Aeon illuminate or Cybran SC, the Cybran pilot is mostly robot, they wouldnt die from a simple think such as a pinch vessel
also size doesnt mean how heavey something is, its density and mass is more important, a stardestroyer may not be as heavey as SC (prob is) but theres nothing to say it is or isnt, a piece of paper the size of london, is probably not even a hundreth of the weight of a piece of steel or titanium a quarter of its size...
Actually, one can breath through the force...for days....
The star destroyer has damn strong armour, is maybe 10 times the size of the SC and has a strong shield too. Either way, Luke could just kill the pilot easily with the force...
And "GlasJaw", be quitet. (JK😛, lol the name glasjaw was so pathetic, who came up with that again?)