Originally posted by bigbran
1) Doesn't matter, if it was small, it still ripped right through him.2) He still healed easy. Plus it looked like it went through his heart.(or close)
The point is that it wasn't a normal gun.
So he wouldn't have flinched from getting something ripping right through him? And wouldn't this also be speculation?
Plus, wasn't that 616 Sabes? He was afterall, talking about Storm.
It doesn't matter what kind of gun it was, there is only so much damage it could do based on the side of the entry wound. It didn't fire an explosive round. It didn't fire multiple rounds per second. It wasn't a laser or the wound have been sealed. The only thing that would have been different the a normal gun may have been the speed of the bullet its self... which doesn't matter. The bullet right through him is the best thing that could happen. It means that the bullet didn't clip of his shoulder blade and ricochet through his body causing more damage and leaving a shell causing in the wound making it harder to heal and leaving the possibility of an infection. Of course for Sabretooth that only means it would take a fraction of a second longer to heal.
He healed easy? He was on the ground in a pool of his own blood. Sabretooth has strolled into to machine gun fire with out even flinching. It's isn't speculation... since... you know, it's happened numerous times.
... it was HoM Sabretooth, not 616 Sabretooth have some sort of connection to Storm means nothing.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Funny, I'm not the one who showed a scan of Black Panther fighting a robot as the pillar of my argument.
I'm pretty sure the pillar of jinzin argument may have something to do with Sabretooth being emensily superior to Black Panther in every way (you know class 20 strenght, superhuman speed/agility and a better healing factor then Wolverine's and all that jazz). Maybe I'm wrong though. 🙄
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm pretty sure the pillar of jinzin argument may have something to do with Sabretooth being emensily superior to Black Panther in every way (you know class 20 strenght, superhuman speed/agility and a better healing factor then Wolverine's and all that jazz). Maybe I'm wrong though. 🙄
Yup.
I'd say you are. All that jazz doesn't matter.
Black Panther for the win.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Yup.I'd say you are. All that jazz doesn't matter.
Black Panther for the win.
If Sabretooth sat in a chair and let Black Panther beat on him with out retailiation, Black Panther would pass out for exhaustion before Sabretooth started to show any wear and tear. Nothing Black Panther has in his standard equipment even comes close to having what it takes to put Sabretooth down if only for a ten count. He can't last in melee more then 20 seconds and he can't keep Sabretooth at range. How does he win? How does even get a tie?
Originally posted by srankmissingninLast time, BP's tech is so far above normal guns. As I have shown, it isn't a normal gun. Isn't his tech also above Iron Man's also?
It doesn't matter what kind of gun it was, there is only so much damage it could do based on the side of the entry wound. It didn't fire an explosive round. It didn't fire multiple rounds per second. It wasn't a laser or the wound have been sealed. The only thing that would have been different the a normal gun may have been the speed of the bullet its self... which doesn't matter. The bullet right through him is the best thing that could happen. It means that the bullet didn't clip of his shoulder blade and ricochet through his body causing more damage and leaving a shell causing in the wound making it harder to heal and leaving the possibility of an infection. Of course for Sabretooth that only means it would take a fraction of a second longer to heal.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSince... you know, he just got blasted right through the heart, heals a panel later. I'de call that a good showing.
He healed easy? He was on the ground in a pool of his own blood. Sabretooth has strolled into to machine gun fire with out even flinching. It's isn't speculation... since... you know, it's happened numerous times.
Originally posted by srankmissingninOh, I'm thinking of the 616 universe. Because BP married Storm, in a tie in to Civil War.
... it was HoM Sabretooth, not 616 Sabretooth have some sort of connection to Storm means nothing.
And here's my proof of Sabes being shot through the heart.
Originally posted by bigbran
Last time, BP's tech is so far above normal guns. As I have shown, it isn't a normal gun. Isn't his tech also above Iron Man's also?Since... you know, he just got blasted right through the heart, heals a panel later. I'de call that a good showing.
He was on the floor because he was suprised, by how Black Panther shot him. (he even said it)When you get shot through the heart, you tend to bleed.Oh, I'm thinking of the 616 universe. Because BP married Storm, in a tie in to Civil War.
And here's my proof of Sabes being shot through the heart.
It doesn't matter how got his tech is, there is only so much damage that gun could have down (which I ready covered in both my last posts... if you'd like to read them). There was nothing that gun could have done to cause more damage then a normal one. Nothing. It wasn't firing multiple rounds per second. It wasn't firing explosive rounds. It wasn't a laser. The speed of the indavidual bullets may have been faster but that wouldn't do anything more the cause more tissue damage around the entry wound (and allow for it to penetrate armors) but it would do more internal damange.
Now try to fallow me for a moment okay. Sabretooth has a better healing factor then Wolverine. Lady Death Strike stabbed Wolverine in the heart. What happened? Nothing. He dropped his guard and she landed a fallow up attack; there wasn't even a break in combat. SHIELD Agent blows up Wolverine's heart. What happens? He grows a new one in three panels!. Even if that had hit his heart, Sabretooth wouldn't have even slowed his pace.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin1) I've read it, but, are you trying to figure out how powerful that gun was?
It doesn't matter how got his tech is, there is only so much damage that gun could have down (which I ready covered in both my last posts... if you'd like to read them). There was nothing that gun could have done to cause more damage then a normal one. Nothing. It wasn't firing multiple rounds per second. It wasn't firing explosive rounds. It wasn't a laser. The speed of the indavidual bullets may have been faster but that wouldn't do anything more the cause more tissue damage around the entry wound (and allow for it to penetrate armors) but it would do more internal damange.Now try to fallow me for a moment okay. Sabretooth has a better healing factor then Wolverine. Lady Death Strike stabbed Wolverine in the heart. What happened? Nothing. He dropped his guard and she landed a fallow up attack; there wasn't even a break in combat. SHIELD Agent blows up Wolverine's heart. What happens? He grows a new one in three panels!. Even if that had hit his heart, Sabretooth wouldn't have even slowed his pace.
2) So basically when a bullet rips through Sabes heart, (when it hasn't been shown, not that I know of, to him) it was a bad feat?
It ripped through his heart, pushed him over. He was on the ground for that time because he was SURPRISED!
He wanted to know how BP did it.
Plus he got up and jumped really high, in a panel.
He didn't slow his combat either, because he wasn't doing anything to begin with. He was up and jumping, in a panel.
Plus Wolverine has survived a nuke(for some reason) He has way higher showings with his healing factor. You can't really compare there healing factors, when Wolverine's has shot up to unheard levels.
Originally posted by bigbran
1) I've read it, but, are you trying to figure out how powerful that gun was?
Not even a normal gun is going through a normal person. It was also powerful enough to knock him over.
The gun obviously hit harder and faster than a normal gun. Why is that so hard to give into? That wasn't even a bad feat either.2) So basically when a bullet rips through Sabes heart, (when it hasn't been shown, not that I know of, to him) it was a bad feat?
It ripped through his heart, pushed him over. He was on the ground for that time because he was SURPRISED!
He wanted to know how BP did it.
Plus he got up and jumped really high, in a panel.
He didn't slow his combat either, because he wasn't doing anything to begin with. He was up and jumping, in a panel.
Plus Wolverine has survived a nuke(for some reason) He has way higher showings with his healing factor. You can't really compare there healing factors, when Wolverine's has shot up to unheard levels.
I'm not the one trying to figure out how powerful the gun is, you are. I'm simply telling you how powerful it could be and how much damage it could do (which isn't that much) but you seem instant on ignoring what I have to say. Anyway Normal bullets pass through people all the time... and have enough force behind them to knock people over. It wasn't an ubre powerful gun and it didn't do any damage that Sabretooth couldn't heal in a fraction of a second. Wolverine's healing factor was once stated on being able to heal a bullet wound a decimeter behind the bullet it's self (once again Sabretooth has the better healing factor... even before his last upgrade). Any damage that had been done to Sabretooth would have been repaired before the bullet exited his body. The only possible thing special about that gun was, maybe, the speed of the bullet. If it had pierced 616 Sabretooth then the bullet was certainly traveling faster then normal as even with out his healing factor the high density of his muscles makes him border line bullet proof... and his healing factor heals around the bullet it's self robbing it of any momentum.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not the one trying to figure out how powerful the gun is, you are. I'm simply telling you how powerful it could be and how much damage it could do (which isn't that much) but you seem instant on ignoring what I have to say. Anyway Normal bullets pass through people all the time... and have enough force behind them to knock people over. It wasn't an ubre powerful gun and it didn't do any damage that Sabretooth couldn't heal in a fraction of a second. Wolverine's healing factor was once stated on being able to heal a bullet wound a decimeter behind the bullet it's self (once again Sabretooth has the better healing factor... even before his last upgrade). Any damage that had been done to Sabretooth would have been repaired before the bullet exited his body. The only possible thing special about that gun was, maybe, the speed of the bullet. If it had pierced 616 Sabretooth then the bullet was certainly traveling faster then normal as even with out his healing factor the high density of his muscles makes him border line bullet proof... and his healing factor heals around the bullet it's self robbing it of any momentum.
Plus, could you kindly tell me what Sabes best healing feat is?
Plus, like I said, he wasn't worried about what the bullet did. Do you realize what a bullet going right through your heart would do? He healed in one panel, and looked like he was able to get up and fight to.
The last part, would quite seem to make the gun seem way more powerful than a normal, on now wouldn't it?
It went right through him, he didn't heal around it, it went to fast and hard to do this. Obviously.
Plus, what is this argument about?
Originally posted by bigbran
Normal bullets don't pass right through people like what happened to Sabes though. Plus, no normal gun is going to pass through Sabes, or knock him over. Would you agree with this?
If the bullet hit anywhere other than the heart, I might be agreeing with you, but as I have stated, he was there because he was surprised!!!
When something rips through your heart, and all you can think about, is, "how did he do that" I think that the bullet didn't do to much to him.Plus, could you kindly tell me what Sabes best healing feat is?
Plus, like I said, he wasn't worried about what the bullet did. Do you realize what a bullet going right through your heart would do? He healed in one panel, and looked like he was able to get up and fight to.
The last part, would quite seem to make the gun seem way more powerful than a normal, on now wouldn't it?
It went right through him, he didn't heal around it, it went to fast and hard to do this. Obviously.
Plus, what is this argument about?
Sabretooth doesn't have many healing factor feats because most of the stuff he does happen off panel. How ever Wolverine coincided that Sabretooth healed faster then he did. Which can't be argued as the entire premise of his character is that he is better then Wolverine in ever way except for fighting skills and the possible except of intelligence (sabretooth is quite smart and cunning... but crazy as hell). He has down the usually though form shrugging of machine gun fire from entire platoons to shrugging of hits from high class bricks (that would liquefy his heart by the way).
The argument is that you seem to think that Sabretooth on the ground in a pool of his own blood is good feat, where as I know better.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Sabretooth sat in a chair and let Black Panther beat on him with out retailiation, Black Panther would pass out for exhaustion before Sabretooth started to show any wear and tear. Nothing Black Panther has in his standard equipment even comes close to having what it takes to put Sabretooth down if only for a ten count. He can't last in melee more then 20 seconds and he can't keep Sabretooth at range. How does he win? How does even get a tie?
BP's anti-metal claws and energy dagger are part of his standard equipment and IMO should be enough to put Sabretooth down. BP's anti-metal claws can damage Cap's shield (which is made of the hardest metal known in the Marvel universe), so he should have no problem rendering Sabretooth's bones and inflicting some serious damage as it breaks down the adamantium in them. I doubt that Sabretooth could easily shrug that off with a smile. As a range attack, BP could use his energy daggers if he so chooses.
Also, how is HoM not canon?
Vision is still dead (not talking about Iron Lad as the new Vision).
Hawkeye is still dead.
Scarlett Witch is still nuts.
All of those mutants lost their powers.
Prof. X and Polaris are still depowered.
Wolverine's total recollecton of his past.
The Collective.
HoM had an impact on the Marvel universe that is still felt today.
So how is it not canon?
Originally posted by Darth Vegasuncle ben was alive... it's not canon get over it.
BP's anti-metal claws and energy dagger are part of his standard equipment and IMO should be enough to put Sabretooth down. BP's anti-metal claws can damage Cap's shield (which is made of the hardest metal known in the Marvel universe), so he should have no problem rendering Sabretooth's bones and inflicting some serious damage as it breaks down the adamantium in them. I doubt that Sabretooth could easily shrug that off with a smile. As a range attack, BP could use his energy daggers if he so chooses.Also, how is HoM not canon?
Vision is still dead (not talking about Iron Lad as the new Vision).
Hawkeye is still dead.
Scarlett Witch is still nuts.
All of those mutants lost their powers.
Prof. X and Polaris are still depowered.
Wolverine's total recollecton of his past.
The Collective.HoM had an impact on the Marvel universe that is still felt today.
So how is it not canon?
Originally posted by Metalmanxokay I think people are confused here... alright.. WHILE the EVENTS did take place in the canon timeline at some point.. they still took place out of sync with the 616 timeline itself. The history of HOM that led up to it's ending is not the same history for the characters of the 616 MU....
Hey, maybe you guys can help me out here.Perhaps I'm a bit slow, but wasn't HOM canon? I mean, its outcome affected all of Marvel.
How is it not considerd 616 canon? 😕
if that fight was canon why is sabretooth still alive? why didn't he have his admantium during that fight? why was his healing factor working worse?
see the effects of the overall event are canon but the history leading up to that point is imaginary..
the fact that hawkeye was alive IN HOM should be enough to solidify that point.
Originally posted by jinzin
beating? nah.. sabretooth's will most likely not beat him, but shred him to pieces or rip him limb from limb, or eat his heart.... 🙄sorry but thems the breaks.
Nah.
Again, until Sabretooth even comes close to defeating BP decisively in a comic, I'm going to believe otherwise.