Originally posted by debbiejo
You know there is also a scripture that says your name can be taken out of the book of life also.........God must have a huge eraser....... 😕Oh, and all denominations believe they are in the TRUE church...
Something like that in Revelation.
Originally posted by Alliance
Christianity is as simply as beliving Christ was the Messiah. End of story.
* i beg to disagree, my friend, believing is not enough to be a Christian...
"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
John 8:29-31
* after a preaching of Jesus (verse 29), many Jews believed on Him (verse 30)... but Christ said, to be His disciple, one must continue to abide by His words or teachings... 😉
"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that even for a whole year they were gathered together with the church, and taught much people, and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The Acts 11:26
* the disciples/followers of Christ ARE Christians and vice-versa... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i beg to disagree, my friend, believing is not enough to be a Christian..."And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
John 8:29-31* after a preaching of Jesus (verse 29), many Jews believed on Him (verse 30)... but Christ said, to be His disciple, one must continue to abide by His words or teachings... 😉
Peejayd..let me ask you...Have you ever shaved your beard or wore Polyester ?
Originally posted by peejayd
* i beg to disagree, my friend, believing is not enough to be a Christian..."And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
John 8:29-31* after a preaching of Jesus (verse 29), many Jews believed on Him (verse 30)... but Christ said, to be His disciple, one must continue to abide by His words or teachings... 😉
Then you are looking for some sort of criteria that goes beyond theological definition. Because in all terms a Christian is a person who believe in Jesus, that he is the Messiah, the Bible and all that.
What you are getting at is criteria I guess based on intent. Action. Philosophy. Which of course is problematic because if, for example, one says "A true Christian is a person who is merciful, compassionate, humble, peaceful and loving" because there are many, many non-Christians who fulfil such criteria. Perhaps it would be then "A true Christian believes in Jesus and is merciful etc etc."
Of course then doctrine gets raised - a true Christian is the one following and interpreting the Bible correctly. And as has been said many times before there are hundreds, more then hundreds, of sects/denominations who claim to be true Christians based upon the interpretations criteria they adhere to.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Peejayd..let me ask you...Have you ever shaved your beard or wore Polyester ?
* does the shaving of beard and wearing of polyester have anything to do with salvation in the time of Christianity? 😕
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Then you are looking for some sort of criteria that goes beyond theological definition. Because in all terms a Christian is a person who believe in Jesus, that he is the Messiah, the Bible and all that.What you are getting at is criteria I guess based on intent. Action. Philosophy. Which of course is problematic because if, for example, one says "A true Christian is a person who is merciful, compassionate, humble, peaceful and loving" because there are many, many non-Christians who fulfil such criteria. Perhaps it would be then "A true Christian believes in Jesus and is merciful etc etc."
Of course then doctrine gets raised - a true Christian is the one following and interpreting the Bible correctly. And as has been said many times before there are hundreds, more then hundreds, of sects/denominations who claim to be true Christians based upon the interpretations criteria they adhere to.
* as the Bible tells us...
"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that even for a whole year they were gathered together with the church, and taught much people, and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The Acts 11:26
* the Christians are taught of the teachings of Christ, not just believing on Christ...
"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
John 8:29-31
* Christians are those who continues to abide by the teachings of Christ...
* so, Biblically speaking, it is correct for me to say that those people or groups not in accordance with the teachings of Christ are NOT real Christians... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* does the shaving of beard and wearing of polyester have anything to do with salvation in the time of Christianity? 😕
Oh I beleive it DOES... ✅
In the Old Testament, shaving your beard, wearing polyester, having homosexual sex, and eating shrimp are grave sins punishable by death.
However, many Christians will argue "That no longer applies, because the Lord Christ has saved us from such things".....
If that is the case, then why include it ? The Old Testament must be irrelevant then if you are no longer Obliged to its Laws.
If the Old Testament, IS RELEVANT, then I take it that you, like ALL Christians, will nit pick...choose and ignore what quotes are most convienent and compatible with your own personal virtues...
Ah,...the Hypocrisy is Legendary !
Originally posted by peejayd
* as the Bible tells us..."And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that even for a whole year they were gathered together with the church, and [B]taught
much people, and that the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The Acts 11:26* the Christians are taught of the teachings of Christ, not just believing on Christ...
"And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;"
John 8:29-31* Christians are those who continues to abide by the teachings of Christ...
* so, Biblically speaking, it is correct for me to say that those people or groups not in accordance with the teachings of Christ are NOT real Christians... 😉 [/B]
Then that is purely doctrinal. It comes down to interpretation what exactly Christ is teaching - if the Bible is Christ's textbook, and Christian's follow it, which is part of what being a Christian is, then they can say "We are true Christian's"
But there are differences in what people thought Jesus was saying, what weight they put on the OT part of things, and so on.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh I beleive it DOES... ✅In the Old Testament, shaving your beard, wearing polyester, having homosexual sex, and eating shrimp are grave sins punishable by death.
However, many Christians will argue "That no longer applies, because the Lord Christ has saved us from such things".....
If that is the case, then why include it ? The Old Testament must be irrelevant then if you are no longer Obliged to its Laws.
If the Old Testament, IS RELEVANT, then I take it that you, like ALL Christians, will nit pick...choose and ignore what quotes are most convienent and compatible with your own personal virtues...
[b]Ah,...the Hypocrisy is Legendary !
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