Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Did they have the upgraded WWH-buster armor, which is obviously much more powerful than previous models? Also, the new Hulkbuster is simply a modular armor which Tony can secondarily animate whilst fighting Juggy in the magical Thorbuster [which was powerful enough to give King Thor a good fight].
3 members of Alpha Flight (including Sasquatch) wearing Hulkbuster armor could barely handle a depowered Juggernaut. Juggernaut at classic levels would destroy Stark in ANY armor.
Did they have accelerationware, which allows for movement ahead of the normal timestream, in a Zoom-esque fashion?
Did they use the armor's gadgets wisely [ie. using sonics and such to their advantage]? It worked well for Nimrod, afterall.
All the above variables lead me to believe this would be an extremely good fight. 馃檪
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
3 members of Alpha Flight (including Sasquatch) wearing Hulkbuster armor could barely handle a depowered Juggernaut. Juggernaut at classic levels would destroy Stark in ANY armor.
Three Alpha Flight members using outdated Hulk-buster armor is not the same as Tony Stark using an upgraded (WWH) version of his own armor.
He has much better reaction times, FAR superior knowledge, and the ability to command numerous additional armor's.
With all this tech at his disposal, he can find a way to make it a fight.
That being said, I don't think he wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
Did they have the upgraded WWH-buster armor, which is obviously much more powerful than previous models? Also, the new Hulkbuster is simply a modular armor which Tony can secondarily animate whilst fighting Juggy in the magical Thorbuster [which was powerful enough to give King Thor a good fight].Did they have accelerationware, which allows for movement ahead of the normal timestream, in a Zoom-esque fashion?
Did they use the armor's gadgets wisely [ie. using sonics and such to their advantage]? It worked well for Nimrod, afterall.
All the above variables lead me to believe this would be an extremely good fight. 馃檪
No way.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33I understood that. I was just making sure you knew Tony wouldn't be fighting Juggs in outdated armor. He has many more options to choose from.
In my assessment that Juggernaut handled 3 members of Alpha Flight in Hulkbuster armor, I did say DEPOWERED Juggernaut. This is Juggernaut at classic or current levels. The duo goes down.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33But the thread starter did say:
Ok, fair enough. Being that the thread starter didn't add prep time for the duo it would be hard for Stark to come up with a sure fire counter for the Juggernaut in the middle of getting beaten severely.
Originally posted by Betageuze
all weapons from Iron Man will be allowed...
Every option I've given Tony here, are things he's already done on panel in some fashion. I'd also like to add that I never said who would win - just that it would be a very good battle, given the parameters of this thread. (and it would be)
Short of directing his armors to attach and BFR Juggernaut, the team doesn't have a chance. I think there's a reason why Wonderman has been absent from the last dozen posts. 馃槢
FWIW, Thor's Godblast merely overcame Juggernaut's Unstoppability (like War did), but there was no sign that it actually hurt him. I think even the narration supports that.
WWH-buster Iron Man failed fairly spectacularly against the real deal (wasn't his big plan to talk Bruce down and failing that to survive long enough to use the nano-bots and hope the army could bring him down?). After all of the delays in getting to Prof X WWHulk became quite brutal with the X-Men and prolly much stronger than when he faced Tony, and even then he was beginning to face a losing battle against the Juggernaut and had to resort to a BFR.
As many times as Juggernaut's gone up against the X-Men, notably Banshee & Siryn, you'd think that if sonic assaults were really viable they'd have hit upon it by now, considering the various effects they've used their powers for. Has anything other than the future tech Nimrod managed to do it?
Short of BFR, I don't think the team stands a chance aside from getting used as exercise for Juggernaut's re-covered bad attitude.
Originally posted by lft4dedThink about it.
Short of BFR, I don't think the team stands a chance aside from getting used as exercise for Juggernaut's re-covered bad attitude.
Tony could be fighting Juggs in the Thorbuster, while having the WWH-buster simultaneously attacking him via the extremis.
Remember, they'd also be moving in a completely different time-frame than Juggs via accelerationware. So the chances of Tony losing to any kind of physical assault would be slim to none [as Juggs wouldn't be able to land anything].
Now couple those methods with a bombardment of techie attacks [such as sonics], and....
Am I giving Tony the win? Nah. It's just not the shit stomp a lot of people think it is, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Am I giving Tony the win? Nah. It's just not the shit stomp a lot of people think it is, imo.
Truth. I like Juggernaut and the fact that he's meant to come into a character's book and take their best without even needing to stretch but on the other hand you're right about him actually landing a hit on the armors.
Hmmm, aside from remebering how to do energy attacks again, a thunderclap (which he's only done once AFAIK to down GenX) or perhaps expanding his forcefield ala THOR #411 what are the odds of him winning?
If he can walk against Jean's TK while airborne, then he could probably walk against any attempt at BFR. Stalemate perhaps until Tony runs out of juice and Wonderman is finally brought off the bench? 馃槃
Originally posted by lft4dedOr Tony just redirects Juggy's momentum like WWH did for teh BFR-win!! 馃槢
Truth. I like Juggernaut and the fact that he's meant to come into a character's book and take their best without even needing to stretch but on the other hand you're right about him actually landing a hit on the armors.Hmmm, aside from remebering how to do energy attacks again, a thunderclap (which he's only done once AFAIK to down GenX) or perhaps expanding his forcefield ala THOR #411 what are the odds of him winning?
If he can walk against Jean's TK while airborne, then he could probably walk against any attempt at BFR.
Originally posted by lft4ded馃槀 馃憜
Stalemate perhaps until Tony runs out of juice and Wonderman is finally brought off the bench? 馃槃