Pre Ret Con Beyonder Vs. THe Presence

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fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Unbiased good friend. I'm going by the fact that DC has characters challenge the Presence from time to time. I read that there's a story coming up where a demon is going to challenge the Presence.

No one ever challenges TOAA.


No one ever defeats the presence. He absolutelypwned Michael and the Spectre without even trying.

doomsday49 Restricted
Originally posted by quanchi112
beyonder he was supreme once while the presence never was.

and don't forget the all important factor of him being from MARVEL 😉

Knowsbleed33 You know my name
Originally posted by fangirl101
No one ever defeats the presence. He absolutelypwned Michael and the Spectre without even trying.

The fact that he gets challenged makes me question his supremacy.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The fact that he gets challenged makes me question his supremacy.

The fact that him being challenged isn't a problem. Look at what happens to the mighty beings who challenge him. They are pwned without the slightest bit of exertion on his part.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Being challenged suggests the characters that challenge the Presences question his supremacy also.

As I said previous, TOAA never gets challenged.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Being challenged suggests the characters that challenge the Presences question his supremacy also.

As I said previous, TOAA never gets challenged.


So based purely on the stupidity of characters trying to challenge the Presence, you say he's not supreme. That fails. On at least a hundred levels. I've never seen the Presence actually challenged.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

How could you be supreme and then have your position challenged?

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
How could you be supreme and then have your position challenged?

becuz you give free will to your creations. Wasn't thanos supposedly supreme and challenged by the Lt and eternity and infinity? and they actually resisted him. Nothing has ever resisted the power of the presence. not even remotely.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

They weren't challenging Thanos' position.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
They weren't challenging Thanos' position.

They resisted him. The Arc Angel Michael literally got eaten by God. and he is the living embodiment of God's power. The Specter got bitched with a look from God. so your logic if faulty. The Titan Chronos didn't even touch the presence, he only touched the godwave, part of the source, who is only part of the presence, and went mad from the power.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Look, challenging ones position as supreme because you feel you're better suited for the position is different than what happened in the End. The Presence gets challenged because the characters that challenge him feel they're better suited for the position and more powerful. Regardless of the outcome of the challenge, they still doubt the Presence's supremacy.

Everyone knew who Thanos was and what he was about. They were going under the premise that giving Thanos supreme power was like giving a child a loaded gun with the safety off.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Look, challenging ones position as supreme because you feel you're better suited for the position is different than what happened in the End. The Presence gets challenged because the characters that challenge him feel they're better suited for the position and more powerful. Regardless of the outcome of the challenge, they still doubt the Presence's supremacy.

Everyone knew who Thanos was and what he was about. They were going under the premise that giving Thanos supreme power was like giving a child a loaded gun with the safety off.

Its about free will, Thanos was used plan and simple. The Beyonder still loses.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

What does Thanos being used have to do with it?

Stalemate still.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What does Thanos being used have to do with it?

Stalemate still.

When the Beyonder didn't know about everything else beyond him he is not equal to TOAA or The Presence it is not a stalemate, he is very powerful but that is an extreme view to say the least.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

TOAA
Presence/Beyonder/Heart

Nuff said.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by doomsday49
and don't forget the all important factor of him being from MARVEL 😉
From what I hear the presence has an equal in the geb. As to this thread. Beyonder wins.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

GEB challenged the Presence which supports my arguement.

TOAA has no equals and no challengers.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
GEB challenged the Presence which supports my arguement.

TOAA has no equals and no challengers.

TOAA shouldnt be compared imo to on panel fictional characters.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
GEB challenged the Presence which supports my arguement.

TOAA has no equals and no challengers.


GEB challenged the Ultimate Light. the Presence is EVERYTHING. He's the Ultimate light and The GEB and everything in every comic.