Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
I dont think Flash can beat Surfer, in a couple of panels....
I forgot what thread it was that flash and surfer were being tested by actual feats as to which was faster. I think the outcome was that they were both pretty much as fast as your gonna get. A stalemate i guess.
BUT the way runner is faster than surfer. 馃槑
Surfer couldnt keep up and eventuall got his ass beat by runner.
But that A beats B logic 馃槈
Originally posted by InhumanThat was what a couple of people said, however no one PROVED that Surfer is as a fast as Flash, as Flash's feats shown in that very thread walked all over Surfers.
I forgot what thread it was that flash and surfer were being tested by actual feats as to which was faster. I think the outcome was that they were both pretty much as fast as your gonna get. A stalemate i guess.
BUT the way runner is faster than surfer. 馃槑
Surfer couldnt keep up and eventuall got his ass beat by runner.
But that A beats B logic 馃槈
And you're forgetting when Surfer and another guy blitzed Runner and some of the other elders a few issues after that initial confrontation when Surfer didn't go all out because of Runner's 'likable' power.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He was tapping into it all along without knowing it.
wrong again. Thanos even tells runner that his speed wasnt due to the gem. Just the instant teleportation. Thanos had way more knowledge of the gems than any of the elders did.
Thanos even states " I have never seen speed such as this"
Originally posted by Juntai
That was what a couple of people said, however no one PROVED that Surfer is as a fast as Flash, as Flash's feats shown in that very thread walked all over Surfers.
And you're forgetting when Surfer and another guy blitzed Runner and some of the other elders a few issues after that initial confrontation when Surfer didn't go all out because of Runner's 'likable' power.
I dont think runner was blitz馃槵
He was double teamed but not blitzed. If you have the scans post them. I have been looking for them.
didn't runner do something ridiculous like hear a woman screaming across the universe and arrive to her location before she even stopped screaming? i seem to remember...
and the barry allen thing is pretty flimsy. "buried alien" dropped out of the race to help someone in need, but, regardless, his appearance was really just an homage to a great and beloved character who had just been erased. i don't think it was supposed to indicate anything.
Flash has out moved and simply out speeds, instant warping and transportation, he has done this before.
Secondly Flash instantly moves at twenty trillion times the speed of light before runner can even react, and no the runner cannot move or react this fast, because of shown how easily he can be ambushed. So flash speed blitzes the runner, steals his kinitic energy which literaly stops the runner dead from doing absolutely anything, even his form and body would be in limbo since the runner is made of energy and with kinitic energy it does nothing it is like in limbo.
so with the runner frozen with no kinitic energy to think, move, use the gem, etc., Flash then drops him off in the speed force, or IMPs him.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Flash has out moved and simply out speeds, instant warping and transportation, he has done this before.
Secondly Flash instantly moves at twenty trillion times the speed of light before runner can even react, and no the runner cannot move or react this fast, because of shown how easily he can be ambushed. So flash speed blitzes the runner, steals his kinitic energy which literaly stops the runner dead from doing absolutely anything, even his form and body would be in limbo since the runner is made of energy and with kinitic energy it does nothing it is like in limbo.
so with the runner frozen with no kinitic energy to think, move, use the gem, etc., Flash then drops him off in the speed force, or IMPs him.
This thread has already been stated as "inconclusive" because of too few runner apearances. If you read the whole thread you would have known that. Or that this isnt a fight(which runner would win btw).
You just started babbling nonsense not realizing this wasnt a fight but race.
anyhow I already said "inconclusive"
But bases on feats and apearances and ONLY that i say flash takes it.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Flash has out moved and simply out speeds, instant warping and transportation, he has done this before.Secondly Flash instantly moves at twenty trillion times the speed of light before runner can even react, and no the runner cannot move or react this fast, because of shown how easily he can be ambushed. So flash speed blitzes the runner, steals his kinitic energy which literaly stops the runner dead from doing absolutely anything, even his form and body would be in limbo since the runner is made of energy and with kinitic energy it does nothing it is like in limbo.
so with the runner frozen with no kinitic energy to think, move, use the gem, etc., Flash then drops him off in the speed force, or IMPs him.
I was talking Hulk vs Superman today and he brought the Deathstroke incident up (I was talking orders of magnitude when comparing Supes speed to Hulk) but we both remember the (IIRC) pre-Speed Force incident were Wally was almost shot in the back while chilling at home. As soon as the bullet touched his skin he immediately ramped up before it could actually pierce it.
We decided that Wally normally fights with his mind 'out of it'. IDK.
It not like Deathstroke was hiding IIRC, he was in plain sight. Wally wasn't paying attention or was thinking about something else.
I'd give it to Flash because I like his costume better... 馃槢
Originally posted by ValidusBut how do we know this just isn't a low showing for runner? Hell, how many low showings has Galactus had? Runner is a less popular character so they aren't going to let him win against Flash in a crossover battle, or Barry Allen.
Not really and FYI, you're going to need another excuse. Wasn't Barry Allen going to beat Runner in that marathon race if he hadn't stopped to help people?
Originally posted by ValidusFlash is my favorite DC character, but just because a character has alot of "feats" means little on its own. There is not enough background information, there is not enough solid statistical fact. Just feat. And using a bunch of feats creates a circular/illogical argument based on one party using high feats and one party using low feats. That makes guys like Superman always have an advantage in threads against lesser knowns, he's practically invented feats.
I don't see why it's so hard to admit Wally's feats are better than Runner's.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterFeats show what a character is capable of. I understand you to a point, but without them .. . what are we comparing? Cooler costumes?
But how do we know this just isn't a low showing for runner? Hell, how many low showings has Galactus had? Runner is a less popular character so they aren't going to let him win against Flash in a crossover battle, or Barry Allen.Flash is my favorite DC character, but just because a character has alot of "feats" means little on its own. There is not enough background information, there is not enough solid statistical fact. Just feat. And using a bunch of feats creates a circular/illogical argument based on one party using high feats and one party using low feats. That makes guys like Superman always have an advantage in threads against lesser knowns, he's practically invented feats.
And it wasn't a crossover. "Burried Alien", who was obviously a Flash analog, won the Earth Qualifier. Runner called him "The Fastest Man Alive." He was entered into "Galactic Race" and was outracing all the Marvel's speedsters. Until Makkari tapped Marvel's equivelent of the speedforce. 馃檮 And "Buried Alien" quit racing to save him, being far more knowledgable in such things.
Originally posted by JuntaiFeats are an illustration to a degree, but alone they aren't foolproof. There are many different incentives for a feat or an event, where it be to show off a cool new character, or to make two other characters look even. I'm not saying don't use feats obviously, I'm saying that alone it just leads to a long cycle of arguing since on party will bring up low showings and the other will bring up high showings, a characters feats are based on popularity and other factors as well often. There has to be something statistical to back them up.
Feats show what a character is capable of. I understand you to a point, but without them .. . what are we comparing?
And by your same statement it is what everyone else is saying, feats show from a writers/artist's point of view what the character can do. If there is a lack of sufficient feats, then who can accurately guage certain characters? Does anyone know Runner's speed limit? We know he's fast, and may be faster than SS. Still too vague. We know he bends space, that's a good advantage to him. If one can't draw an specific guage for one character, then it is impossible logically to make a conclusion for both.
B=? A=6 , which is the greater between A and B?
We don't know.
Originally posted by Juntai
Cooler costumes?
Flash wins there.
Originally posted by JuntaiWell I retract my statement then as have not seeing the race, but then again that isn't necessarily Flash either though, that's Marvel interpretation of Flash, probably less reliable than a crossover.
And it wasn't a crossover. "Burried Alien", who was obviously a Flash analog, won the Earth Qualifier. Runner called him "The Fastest Man Alive." He was entered into "Galactic Race" and was outracing all the Marvel's speedsters. Until Makkari tapped Marvel's equivelent of the speedforce. 馃檮 And "Buried Alien" quit racing to save him, being far more knowledgable in such things.
I'm not saying one wins clearly here, but due to the lack of evidence to properly guage runner, a vauge conclusion is drawn at best.
"the barry allen thing is pretty flimsy. "buried alien" dropped out of the race to help someone in need, but, regardless, his appearance was really just an homage to a great and beloved character who had just been erased. i don't think it was supposed to indicate anything."
it'd be pretty silly to take that race as evidence. it's not even really indicative.