Originally posted by Darth Sexy
1. I guess the fact that he was #2 behind Revan out of thousands of Jedi/Sith. He and Revan were both lightsaber prodigies. I would believe that puts him in a category with Dooku.2. Proof that Dooku was on par or superior to Malak? This proof thing goes both ways. I put him in a league with Dooku and Revan in a league with Yoda and Mace.
3. I couldn't think of anything better due to the ridiculous nature of the argument. If you're going to put Zannah above Malak based on one feat, then you've formed a terrible argument.
1.) He was #2 behind Revan so he's automatically as good as Dooku? And you talk about terrible arguments, lol. Prove any of those Jedi were on Dooku's level. Dooku is called by narration to be exactly "one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history", and is stated to be "an even greater Sith" (by narration, and Yoda's dialogue indicates this as well); albeit, it's true he's not "number 2" of the era, but he's what? Like the fifth best in an era where the Jedi Order is at its prime? Above the likes of Obi-Wan, Grievous, Sora, Maul, etc. A little more impressive, I'd say.
A lightsaber prodigy? How's that? And of course, merely being a "prodigy" doesn't mean your better than another prodigious being.
2.) Yes, why is the question. Okay, you put him in league with Dooku for...what reason exactly? Numero Dos behind Revan, and he's a "prodigy"? Great reasonings. Dooku is a prodigy, too - surprise, surprise.
Let's see, his displays of Force mastery suggests his power is tremendous (and what did Malak ever do with the Force that was impressive, btw? Choking a guard? Lol. Dooku choked out Komari Vosa.). There's the fact ROTS Obi-Wan isn't even a match for Dooku's Force power, he was owned at literally the flick of the wrist:
"He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall."
Also note that he did this while fending off Anakin. He also did tool Asajj Ventress, who we know is pretty powerful. Not the strongest, but still. And he also - with one finger - brought Ventress down to her knees:
"Her face went pale. Dooku lifted that one finger, and this time he tapped it in the air, as if pushing a needle into a pincushion. Ventress crumpled to her knees. Her voice came out clotted with pain. Dooku made another little patting motion, and Ventress slammed to the tile floor. "
So, we have a flick of the wrist, a tap of the finger, patting motion. "Strong in the Force this one is", eh? From the AOTC novelization, when he puts Anakin out of commission for a time:
"Dooku's hand shot out toward the charging Jedi, sending forth a Force push as solid as any stone wall, and a burst of blue Force lightning. With a wave of his hand, Dooku sent Anakin flying across the room, to crash into a distant wall, where he slumped down, dazed.
He was able to completely revitalize himself using just the Force (ROTS novel), suggesting he doesn't need some dumbass Jedi captives to do it, lol. We know he's obviously a proficient Force lightning user by his displays in AOTC, and other various things. He was able to own Sora Bulq, and knock him out with Force lightning:
As seen in the background is Tholme, who himself is no weakling was battling with Dooku 2-on-1, and even so Dooku still beat Sora, and right after spared Tholme, only of course, after owning him with his saber as well:
Really though, Dooku has a vast amount of training, and experience over Malak. Roughly 80+ years of it. Since we know he was trained as a youngling, he has about 70+ years experience as a Jedi, and 13 years as a Sith Lord. Now, we know experience definitely isn't everything, however, to deny it gives an advantage is purely ridiculous. For example, throughout those years - he is stated to know "Every weakness of Ataru" (his duel against Yoda obviously didn't end in a victory, however, Yoda's pure skill is probably better than anything).
And within those years, has mastered Makashi - the lightsaber to lightsaber form - to it's highest degree. Admittedly, forms are necessity for victory, however, it's clue that Dooku's lightsaber skills are no joke. And one thing that matters not is Dooku's age:
"Physically, the Count's age was rarely a handicap. Deft as he had become with the Force-unimaginably more subtle than the boy who had watched water-skeeters in the Jedi gardens all those years ago-he wore his eighty-three standard years better than most humans half his age. He was still in superb physical shape, senses keen, health undiminished by even the memory of a cold."
So, just to put that out there because I've heard a lot of people say stuff like "Dude! Character X is so much younger!".
He has also bested Mace Windu in personal combat before, now Windu wasn't at his peak, however, he still beat him (it's kind of irrelevant to even bring up, but just to add to the fact. He's also described as "Dooku, consummate planner, consummate duelist." Consummate meaning perfect or to the highest degree. Clearly Dooku's skill with a lightsaber is amazing. Even Yoda comments on his skills:
"Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!"
Calling him the strongest student, and one that has learned the most. We also know Dooku is more powerful than Grievous, who has slain numerous Jedi Masters with ease (Council member as well), Asajj Ventress, and so on.
What's Malak got on his resume?
3.) Because I like, ever argued Zannah is better? Puh-leaze.
Don't address points to me that were never made by me, or even implied. I'm merely stating the comparison had absolutely no connection whatsoever, and was faulty. And why are you talking to me at all about Zannah > Malak or vice verse? Because on that matter [Rhett Butler] Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [/Rhett Butler]
And just for professional kicks....
Quote Sources (so people don't question mah authoritah):
- Attack of the Clones novelization.
- Revenge of the Sith novelization.
- Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.
- Labyrinth of Evil.
- Star Wars Republic 72: Trackdown, Part 1.
