Wolverine ftw. coolio matchup tho. both pretty even street-levelers. both have their advantages and disadvantages, and wolvies advantages outweigh Beast's in this fight. being: durability(bones/healing factor), ruthlessness, and claws IMO>>1 ton strength, and incredible agility and stamina. and where did u ever hear Beast was 30 ton...?? ive always thought he was just a mere superhuman with 1 ton strength..🤨
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wolverine wins.Oh I do hope you're not trying to imply Wolverine stands a chance in hell against Shadowcat on the forums.
She phases through adamantium, it's stuns her causing her to lose concentration and return to her corporal form where Wolverine finishers her off? Not to mention it was stated that Kitty needs to keep her legs in phase when she attacks so she gets leverage another fact that Wolverine would exploit. And then all forum fights are in character with CIS still on which puts her at and even bigger disadvantage.
Originally posted by srankmissingninShadowcat passes out and she's intangible, yet if she loses concentration she'll become tangible? Okay...
She phases through adamantium, it's stuns her causing her to lose concentration and return to her corporal form where Wolverine finishers her off? Not to mention it was stated that Kitty needs to keep her legs in phase when she attacks so she gets leverage another fact that Wolverine would exploit.
How about she dives underground and pulls him under, lets go and traps him permanently fused to the earth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Shadowcat passes out and she's intangible, yet if she loses concentration she'll become tangible? Okay...How about she dives underground and pulls him under, lets go and traps him permanently fused to the earth.
How about Kitty loses concentration and becomes tangible but she passes out and remains in tangible? Both have happened before. Just because you choose the one best suited to your argument doesn't make the other any less likely or relevant.
CIS turned on and characters fight in character by default with standard forum rules. Even with blood lust on she won't do anything to potentially killed Wolverine as it is out of character. If you want to argue that some sort of assassin with Shadowcats powers could beat Wolverine then go a head but Kitty her self will lose.
Shadowcat can and will kill if necessary even under CIS.
Intangibility is her natural state, she is tangible by force of will and being intangible when unconscious is congruous with this. While having sex with Colossus she lost herself momentarily and fell through the floor - again congruous with intangibility being her natural state.
What isn't congruous with this is that phasing through adamantium will force her to become tangible. When she phased through X23 she felt pain (which in itself is stupid considering she can phase a city levelling blast, and a nuclear explosion at the epicentre) but had she become tangible the two would have fused killing them instantly.
Generally when bloodlust is additionally specified characters do whatever is in their ability to win. Cyclops will use his wide high-powered blast on Daredevil, Psylocke will tear Spider-Man limb from limb with telekinesis, and Shadowcat will phase Wolverine into the ground killing him instantly.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What isn't congruous with this is that phasing through adamantium will force her to become tangible. When she phased through X23 she felt pain (which in itself is stupid considering she can phase a city levelling blast, and a nuclear explosion at the epicentre) but had she become tangible the two would have fused killing them instantly.
It is the incredible density of adamantium that cause the damage not the adamantium it's self. You know what is at the epicenter of nuclear explosion? Super hot low density gas that is then bushed up into the air to create the mushroom cloud effect. The two have little baring on each other.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Generally when bloodlust is additionally specified characters do whatever is in their ability to win. Cyclops will use his wide high-powered blast on Daredevil, Psylocke will tear Spider-Man limb from limb with telekinesis, and Shadowcat will phase Wolverine into the ground killing him instantly.
No that is just a misconcept that most posters have seemed to adopted as it seems to suit their needs. CIS is still turned on an these are by defualt in character fights. Spider-man isn't going to plunge his hand into his enemys chest and rip out their still beating heart but at the same time he isn't going to pussy foot around. He will do what ever it takes to win, WITH IN REASON and more importantly in character.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI was comparing damage that would be inflicted.
It is the incredible density of adamantium that cause the damage not the adamantium it's self. You know what is at the epicenter of nuclear explosion? Super hot low density gas that is then bushed up into the air to create the mushroom cloud effect. The two have little baring on each other.
That would explain pain. It wouldn't explain forcing her to remain in an unnatural state.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAh, no it's not. If full bloodlust or a fight to the death is additionally specified, CIS no longer applies.
No that is just a misconcept that most posters have seemed to adopted as it seems to suit their needs. CIS is still turned on an these are by defualt in character fights. Spider-man isn't going to plunge his hand into his enemys chest and rip out their still beating heart but at the same time he isn't going to pussy foot around. He will do what ever it takes to win, WITH IN REASON and more importantly in character.
This is Beast vs Wolverine.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I was comparing damage that would be inflicted.That would explain pain. It wouldn't explain forcing her to remain in an unnatural state.
I just think the writer didn't look into it that much. *shrugs* It is how ever what happens... when the writer even remembers that Adamantium has any adverse effect on her what so ever.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ah, no it's not. If full bloodlust or a fight to the death is additionally specified, CIS no longer applies.This is Beast vs Wolverine.
Bloodlust
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picoseconds in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a pr oven fact that he possesses that level of speed.It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Best of his/her ability, but still with in the character's personality. That is what is says is it? Or am I reading it wrong? Unless the thread starter specifies "To the Death," Kitty Pride isn't going to be killing anyone even though Bloodlust is on by default.
I know this is a Wolverine vs. Beast thread but it was originally brought up here. Also I have nothing to say about a Kitty Pride vs Wolverine to the death match, where the only possible out come is incredible obvious and doesn't require any sort of debate.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou're referring to the standard forum rules and I'm referring to additional OP specification of full bloodlust and/or a fight to the death.
I just think the writer didn't look into it that much. *shrugs* It is how ever what happens... when the writer even remembers that Adamantium has any adverse effect on her what so ever.[b]Bloodlust
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picoseconds in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a pr oven fact that he possesses that level of speed.It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Best of his/her ability, but still with in the character's personality. That is what is says is it? Or am I reading it wrong? Unless the thread starter specifies "To the Death," Kitty Pride isn't going to be killing anyone even though Bloodlust is on by default. [/B]
Regardless Shadowcat has been willing to kill before even within character. If it's kill or be killed she'll kill.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're referring to the standard forum rules and I'm referring to additional OP specification of full bloodlust and/or a fight to the death.Regardless Shadowcat has been willing to kill before even within character. If it's kill or be killed she'll kill.
I didn't realise since you just came out of left felt with "Well, she'll phase him into the ground," to which I replied "I don't think so, that's out of character," and then you said "fights are blood lust by default so Cyclops will take of his visor and Kitty will phase people into the ground." You weren't very clear but you are right if the thread starter specifies that she will kill then she will kill.
Until she actually crosses the line and kills someone... other then Silver Samurai (which sure wasn't in continuity) then as far as I'm considered she won't cross that line in a fight.
I said:
"Generally when bloodlust is additionally specified characters do whatever is in their ability to win."
Followed by examples:
"Cyclops will use his wide high-powered blast on Daredevil, Psylocke will tear Spider-Man limb from limb with telekinesis, and Shadowcat will phase Wolverine into the ground killing him instantly."
Shadowcat kills when necessary.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7738/47badasscene2as5.jpg
Scan courtesy of Darkcrawler.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I said:
"Generally when bloodlust is [b]additionally specified characters do whatever is in their ability to win."
Followed by examples:
"Cyclops will use his wide high-powered blast on Daredevil, Psylocke will tear Spider-Man limb from limb with telekinesis, and Shadowcat will phase Wolverine into the ground killing him instantly."Shadowcat kills when necessary.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7738/47badasscene2as5.jpg
Scan courtesy of Darkcrawler. [/B]
Well... apparently it is to late for me to serving the forums because I have no idea how I missed that.
And... um... maybe that girl didn't die? Doesn't seem like she wasn run through with the sword as it wasn't covered in blood nore did it protrude through her chest before she toppled. I vote hit with hard with the flat of the blade. 😎
Originally posted by AlfheimHow does one hold their breath when the molecules of their being pass through the air? Ponder that.
Doesnt she have to hold her breath whe she goes intangible?P.S. I thought you said the vs forum was boring?
She often phases for long periods of time without this limitation. The above would require her to be phased for only a short period of time anyway.
Better to do something boring than to be bored doing nothing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How does one hold their breath when the molecules of their being pass through the air? Ponder that.
Well i dunno, its just that I read she had to hold her breath. *shrug*
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She often phases for long periods of time without this limitation. The above would require her to be phased for only a short period of time anyway.
How long...well I guess it does'nt matter really...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Better to do something boring than to be bored doing nothing.
Fair enough
Hate to do this but...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Razor-sharp claws.
Don't see that helping much. Most of Wolverine's villains have this little add-on.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Class 30 strength.
That would make him stronger than Spider-Man. I've seen nothing as as yet to place him even higher than 10 ton range.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Superhuman endurance as well.
Ok, you've got that one. But due to Wolverine's healing factor he doesn't tire very easily either
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Superhuman healing factor (not as good as Wolvie's, but still hella good, able to keep him in this fight).
Don't know about this one. The wiki entry even stated that it takes him days to heal from some injuries. That kinda healing won't keep him in this fight
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Beast also has the advantage in terms of actual durability. While Wolverine is more resiliant, Beast is more durable.
I don't understand this one? Doesn't durability and resiliancy fall in the same category of being able to handle damage? Or do you mean that Beast can handle more damage than Wolverine but that Wolverine can recover from those damages?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Agility and speed far superior to Wolverine's. Beast has been dodging and countering countless bad guys before Wolverine was even a twinkle in his creator's eye.
Well Wolverine is actually older than Beast so I don't know about that last point. But in terms of agility and speed...I don't know. Beast has been said to be really fast but in the field against other opponents its not been shown. Cap and Logan have both embarassed him in the past so for his agility and speed I don't think its too superior to Wolverine's to be much of a factor.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Lots of hit and run tactics will work here.
That could work but can he hit hard enough and run fast enough?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Can't hurt what you can't hit.
But he's been tagged by Wolverine and Captain America in the past. Not to say its set in stone or anything, it could just have been a bad showing for him its just that he doesn't really have much good showings to back up his supposed abilities. Guess you can argue he wasn't really in the mood so then Dark Beast probably would be a better match-up
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think Beast wins the slight majority here, 6/10.
I don't think he has enough in him. He's fast, but not too fast, strong but not too strong. Its like he just fails in the areas that would give him the win. Still a close fight, 6/10 for Wolverine
wtf..?? where r yall getting this 30 ton strength crap from??? Beast can only press 1 ton. uno. no more. yea. he gets beat, because wolverines more durable and alot more deadly with those claws.
Wolverine 7/10
hes even beaten Beast in the comics before, just read issues 1-3 of Ultimate X-Men, Beast steals off on Wolvie n he still beats him...
