It was stated in the novel that Sidious knew that his master was about ten times more powerful than him, and this scared him.
Enough that he knew not to attempt to fight him...while he was awake.
I'm not aware of Palpatine ever stating or even thinking as such in the novelization. If so, the novel didn't display that - as far as I am aware. Page number?
Also, Palpatine was a pragmatic person. He didn't like to engage in battle, unless he had to. By that logic, you're telling me that Palpatine couldn't handle Gunray and the CIS leaders at the end of Revenge of the Sith simply because he sent Anakin to go kill them all.
Palpatine prefers to act when he is absolutely sure of victory.
He waited till his master was asleep and killed him, with poison I believe.
Poison? Where are you getting your information from? Certainly not the novelization.
id never even think of saying because hes a muun hes not physically as powerful and would be a poor duelist. take any human and look at them in comparison to some of the other races in the star wars universe. wookies are much much stronger but the best duelists are almost all human or very close to. other than that take a look at yoda, if he wasnt force sensitive how powerful would he be physically?
plagueis did know a very advanced technique that palpatine didnt, but we dont know to what degree he knew it, or is palpatine made any progress in that area during his life. but rotj palpatine might have mastered it to the degree of plagueis. the circumstances plagueis learned it under are unknown also, he and his master might have spent decades working on it, plagueis could have killed his master just after unlocking the secrets and then taken palpatine and refused to teach it to him knowing it would result in betrayal. so plagueis could have largely been given the knowlege by his master and only completed the technique. however skilled in it he was it wasnt enough to actually grant him immortality and he was killed eventually. so going by that palpatine might have learned it to the same degree on his own without help.
the degree plagueis could manipulate midichlorians is unknown, and the degree of immortality it gave him is also unknown. it may have been simply the ability to recover form any injury that wasnt instantly fatal, in which case palpatine may have mastered that also becuase his death was pretty much instant once vader betrayed him. palpatine may have also known how to create life, but being palpatine decided it wasnt in his best interests to have another being as powerful as vader could have been walking around.
once he learned the secrets to gain full immortality he most likley planned to rule the universe forever, which would mean finding a powerful apprentice to carry on the sith legacy wouldnt have had any interest to him and any life he created would only have been a threat.
so basically what im saying is we have no idea how powerful plagueis was in relation to palpatine or anyone else, his great knowlege might have been handed to him by his master, of he could have learned it all himself and been just as powerful as palpatine. the only thing we can assume about him with anything other than guesses is that he was very devoted to gaining knowlege of the dark side, most likley above all else, so i stand by my post that saber to saber he probably wasnt as good as maul, but his knowlege surpassed anything maul could dream of.
Originally posted by ESB Vader
well muuns are naturally intelligent
Wow, I've alot of questions to answer. 😛
I'll do my best to get 'em all. It'll take some time however because of my busy work schedule.
About Plaguis being a Munn, is that even really canonical? If it is, it sounds like however made that descision diden't do enough research on Plaguis' character.
For those of you who scoffed at the idea of Qui-Gon being him, you apperently diden't think about how Qui-Gon aqquired his knowledge of immortality through the Force.
Also, the reason Qui-Gon died against Maul,(If he was indeed Plaguis)was because at that point, he had no knowledge or memories of his past life. Therefore had no access to the powerful Dark side techniques he once possessed. Also, using the Dark side of the Force to kill amplifies your ability to kill through the Force. At that point Jinn used nothing but the Light side, making his ability through the Force to kill, somewhat watered down.
Lastly, Sidious was indeed afraid of Plaguis. He diden't want to even risk doing battle with him, because his master could have killed him in a moments notice. Darth Plaguis rapes Maul. No question.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I love how you guys put virtual unknowns into a versus thread.
Very good point, my apprentice. 😛
Next time, let's throw characters into the VS Thread that we know more about. Apart from the earlier knowledge that was unearthed to me about Plaguis. He is a mystery to me.
Sidious is a tactical man, he knows risks when he sees them. He knows there is a possibility than Yoda could somehow kill (even though Sidious believes he is greater than Yoda any other day, which is not true). I believe Sidious was trying to escape because of risk (look what happened to Anakin on Mustafar).
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Sidious feared Yoda?? Can I have a quote of that?
He did fear Yoda to a degree, in that he wanted to flee the fight instead of let things play out.
@Kamikz:
Like running from him....
Palpatine ran because he feared the threat Yoda presented. He was entirely unprepared for a showdown. He also knew, as we all did, that Yoda was, at least, his equal in terms of ability - which meant that he had a 50/50 chance at winning.
For a guy who played Yoda like a fiddle for two decades in order to conquer the galaxy, I'd say that it is more pragmatism and sheer common sense than fear.
We know that he wasn't terrified of Yoda, as - during the pod fight - he didn't even take the little green guy seriously.
Like when Sidious nearly screamed when Yoda was about to overpower him? If he didn't have fear as an emotion, then how will they be able to realise which fights not to get into, would they care? Isen't fear a path to the dark side?
And Sidious was an arrogant ass, he though he was so much superior. The moment he saw he wasn't, he bailed out. Tactics or fear, you can call it whatever you want.
And jedi has said the same thing, but haven't they shown fears as well?