Originally posted by LovelyOne
LOL bondage..I could totally imagine that tee hee..I dont think she sees Jack kissing her as something that would compromise her honor..this was in broad daylight with the rest of the crew on deck lol..Norrington etc..we already see in movie 1 that such little things like kissing Jack dont really bother her pride at all..she was willing to go further on the island in movie 1 if she had to.
IMO she's just trying to get this guy to react a certain way around her because she loves his attention like that..she loves all the sex talk and all the flirting...the problem is its not just in a sex way cuz when you look at what ted says..the compass points to him not for sex..but because she wants that man..in a relationship with her...I think that is why she shows the denial..she wants it to just be about sex but the compass is telling her its not..she's not bothered about flirting with him because she keeps doing it..she's not afraid to be bold sexually around him.
I dont think she feels guilty towards will at all when she's flirting with Jack.its the possible love/ deeper feelings aspect thats scaring her a bit..that makes her feel guilty IMO...
so when jack pulls away its a sign that he's showing her respect for her feelings..and she's pissed off that he didnt kiss her because she loves the flirting but when it comes to him showing that he cares for her on a bigger scale than sex she gets scared...and in denial..the compass points to him only seconds later on the beach and she gets so angry and in denial that she lobs it on the floor lol
yeah you can totally tell she is pissed at him for showing him his good side. She is like why cnat you just be the guy i htought you were and just let me flirt with you! but he is thinking "i want something more than just a hot fling with a woman, and i think that special woman i want is you" but all she is think ing is " stop making me fall in love you! i cnat! i HAVE to be with Will, even though its not what i want"
Originally posted by LovelyOne
LOL bondage..I could totally imagine that tee hee..I dont think she sees Jack kissing her as something that would compromise her honor..this was in broad daylight with the rest of the crew on deck lol..Norrington etc..we already see in movie 1 that such little things like kissing Jack dont really bother her pride at all..she was willing to go further on the island in movie 1 if she had to.
IMO she's just trying to get this guy to react a certain way around her because she loves his attention like that..she loves all the sex talk and all the flirting...the problem is its not just in a sex way cuz when you look at what ted says..the compass points to him not for sex..but because she wants that man..in a relationship with her...I think that is why she shows the denial..she wants it to just be about sex but the compass is telling her its not..she's not bothered about flirting with him because she keeps doing it..she's not afraid to be bold sexually around him.
I dont think she feels guilty towards will at all when she's flirting with Jack.its the possible love/ deeper feelings for aspect thats scaring her a bit..that makes her feel guilty IMO...
so when jack pulls away its a sign that he's showing her respect for her feelings..and she's pissed off that he didnt kiss her because she loves the flirting but when it comes to him showing that he cares for her on a bigger scale than sex she gets scared...and in denial..the compass points to him only seconds later on the beach and she gets so angry and in denial that she lobs it on the floor lol
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i toally agree with this, i just KNOW that the way liz is on the pearl means something.
"I just thought id be married by now...im so ready to be married"
^^^ THAT lines comes out of thin air, if im right? besides jack saying about knowing she has a problem....there was no reason for her to say it was there? ...
....Besides the sinking wedding dress ofcourse...but then....the wedding dress SINKS and then she says shes ready to be married....
its almost like a contradiction....
that confuses me 😕
OH NO NO!! lol she means she's so ready for SEX..but its one of those implied things...its not "I'm so ready to be married to Will" its "im so ready to be married.".and earlier she was going on about her wedding NIGHT being robbed from her not her day!! its all about S E X when it comes to what Liz really wants in this movie...
the wedding dress sinks away REALLY slowly..and Liz is basically watching it sink on the right side of the screen..as it fades away and she is all grimy and grubby..her new pirate self..thn all of a sudden guess who appears on the right side of the screen where the dress was fading away...JACK 😄
that scene is basically "goodbye old life and marriage....hello JACK!..I want sex" 😂
hahahaah thats true! she doesnt really wnat the sophisticated life with boring ol Will! she wnats the wild and crazy life with Jack! (which includes the sex of course) and she wouldnt have that with Will. he probably isnt ready for that kind of relationship...he is the type thaat wuld take it slow, even thought they are married....Will is lame like that lol
Originally posted by CaptinJackLover
hahahaah thats true! she doesnt really wnat the sophisticated life with boring ol Will! she wnats the wild and crazy life with Jack! (which includes the sex of course) and she wouldnt have that with Will. he probably isnt ready for that kind of relationship...he is the type thaat wuld take it slow, even thought they are married....Will is lame like that lol
Yep so true! She hates the sophisticated (thanks for mention my name 😉 ) life .And I totally agree that with Will...she needs a person who is more wild. In my opinion Liz would not enjoy it Will that much (just a thought)
Originally posted by LovelyOne
OH NO NO!! lol she means she's so ready for SEX..but its one of those implied things...its not "I'm so ready to be married to Will" its "im so ready to be married.".and earlier she was going on about her wedding NIGHT being robbed from her not her day!! its all about S E X when it comes to what Liz really wants in this movie...the wedding dress sinks away REALLY slowly..and Liz is basically watching it sink on the right side of the screen..as it fades away and she is all grimy and grubby..her new pirate self..thn all of a sudden guess who appears on the right side of the screen where the dress was fading away...JACK 😄
that scene is basically "goodbye old life and marriage....hello JACK!..I want sex" 😂
RIIGHT!
i KNEW there was a hidden meaning but i wasnt quite sure what it was!
thankyou! 😄
i thought the "Im so ready to be married line" was a little odd. I mean, if she wanted to make herself clear and have jaxk NOT come on to her then she would have mentioned will...but she didnt...so would that imply that she really WASNT thinking of will? and she was thinking of her wedding night?
Well blow me down with a feather! i NEVER realised that! 😆
WHY oh WHY can't the people at KTTC see all of this?!
But then again, ignorance is bliss aint it?? 😎
With Jack all of a sudden Elizabeth has a SEXUALITY..and whats more..she's actually gaining feelings for him. I think that is the single most important thing to notice in this movie.
With Will we NEVER see her with a sexuality...EVER..honestly there is NO sex appeal in that relationship at all.
We never see her actively push herself sexually on Will..its always him who grabs her face..She hugs him..stares lovingly at him..but there is nothing sexual there..its only love..and no heat in the relationship
Which brings me to the ending again...she just totally did everything herself.she forced herself on Jack (because she wanted that bloody kiss lol) she was very VERY passionate and rough with him and then whats more!! she dominates him again by chaining him up which is a VERY sexual implication IMO...She has basically discovered her sexuality with Jack..not Will JACK..right there after she kissed him..she actually went in for another taste..and you just DON'T see this kind of thing with Will...ever
With Jack she has confidence in her sexuality, freedom and feelings for him..which is WHAT a good partnership needs to survive
With Will she has love, not much freedom, and a lack of confidence in her sexuality...Its sexual repression that old way of life..
not a good working relationship.
and whats most important is the fact that she is a VIRGIN..and the first man to ever rock her world sexualy was JACK SPARROW and NOT WILLIAM TURNER.
girl doesnt just forget about their "first time" 😉
I know she didnt have sex with Jack but she has discovered herself sexually and it wasnt Will who helped her it was Jack..and she friggin loved it..she wanted more and more and MORE from him...even at the very end.
IMO Will is never going to be enough to satisfy Elizabeth..she just isnt sexual when she is around him..at all.
Yeah i totslly agree with you...what she has with Will could not last very long.
, she isnt afraid to be wild and sexual with Jack but with with Will she is afraid to be that, or she just doesnt want to.
If she truly loved Will then she wouldnt be afraid to act like taht in fornt of him. If she truly wnated him she would be sexual and forceful to get him to kiss her or just be with her.
Jack isnt afraid to be sexua and wild with Liz either...but Will is just shy and stupid so he does NONE of that and he doenst deserve Liz, they are menat to be
I agree with you!! Jack is very sexually forward..but he does tone it down a bit I notice when Liz is around in movie 2 but he's still sexually suggestive and this is what Liz wants from a man its obvious..Jack allways lets her to do everything to him though lol..
Its funny because Jack finds HIS confidence and freedom in life when he learns not to be so sexually forward with Elizabeth...
and Elizabeth finds HER confidence and freedom in life because she becomes more sexually forward with Jack.
they are helping eachother in so many ways 😂
hahah yeah thats true......i never even thought about it.
With Jack Liz becomes more wild and crazy...buut when he is with her he becomes more of a good man....it shows that they are willing ti hcange for eahc other and they balance eahc other out, and i htink they realize that.
If Liz ended u with Will, then Will would just be a bunch of dead weight becasue he doenst help balance her out
yes thats so true^^ They realize it..and this is probably where the feelings stem from in their relationship..they know how to make the other satisfied and stronger willed in life.
you know what..I think its OBVIOUS which man Elizabeth WANTS more in her life just by looking at which one she pysically LEAPS ON! and shows more want for!
and it AINT William turner...
its funny because Just as she's about to kiss Jack she looks shocked that He's not the one jumping on her like Will would during a kiss.
Its not only about her tasting Jack..its about her tasting what its like to be the sexually confident one during a kiss..and damn she loves it by the end lol...
Yeah definatley, Jack realizes that she is the one that wants to be in control during a kiss or anything sexual, and he lets her be the one in control. And he seems to enjoy it too, he finds he doenst ALWAYS have to the one tahts wild and crazy, and i htink he likes it better when he isnt in control, he is letting Liz be the wild sexual person se has wanted to be but that she cant be with will.
exactly..this is what shows us how different Elizabeth is to Jack..with every other woman he seems to have been pretty forward because he only wants one thing from it..selfishly only wants one thing
But With Liz?
He actually lets HER to decide what SHE wants when it comes to sex or a relationship with him..not the other way around.,he does make it clear that he finds her sexualy attractive though 🙂.which is what makes her feel so confident and forward with him
The only time I have ever seen her look really comfortable with man like that is with Jack..With Norington and Will..its always looked wrong because thats NOT who she really is..she's not a good little modest girl who is always the one who must be kissed and never show her sexuality..its not allowing her to breath
BOTH times I watched those kissesin the firt movie I was like.."liz didnt actually look comfortable there"
then in the second movie the same bloomin thing crossed my mind I was like..Ok Liz didnt look all that comfortable
BOTH times she actuall flicnches BACKWARDS when he does it..visibly moves backwards..
but with Jack its like phyiscaly pushing him forwards with a kiss..
I think thats really important to notuce too...thy seemed to make a big point about her pushing him it took her a while to get him to that mast lol..
with Jack she pushes forward in life
with Will she gets pushed backwards in life
yea i totally agree...
She doesnt really WANT the kisses from Will, if she did then she wouldve been more forward like she is with Jack and wouldve jsut done it, but she waits for Will to kiss her, i odnt even think she really was expecting the kisses form Will so she was jsut like ok umm i dont really wnat this but since its already happening and i dont wnat to hurt your feelings i guess i will jsut kiss you lol but with Jack she just jumps at him like an animal! lol ok maybe not that wild lol but anywayz my point is she actually WANTED to kiss Jack and thats why she decided to kiss him o far away form the mast....she could have made him walk more towards the mat before kissing hm but she didnt.,...she didnt even have to kiss him to do that, but she probably htought well if i have to do this then imight as well get what i somehting ive wanted before i never will be able to again.