2 Timothy 3:16

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

This is the scripture that some Christians use to validate their claim to the infallibility of the Bible.

They justify this through the following:

Verse sixteen in Greek:

"pasa grafh qeopneustov kai wfelimov prov didaskalian, prov elegmon, prov epanorqwsin, prov paideian thn en dikaiosunh|,"

"qeopneustov" is the Greek term translated into "given by inspiration."

"theopneustos" or "qeopneustov" has, as a portion of the origin, "pneu" which is translated "breath."

It is then inferred that use of the term is referring to God-breathed and not the more narrow definition of the actual term used in the writing of this verse.

This inference then leads them to the inference that since God is perfect, and Scripture is God-breathed, that the text must be infallible.

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Is it me, or is this the largest amount of crap you have ever heard? In my opinion, it is a very desperate attempt at saving a false belief.

If you support the idea of an infallible Bible, and use this verse as support, which I believe is the only support they use for this, or at least the crux of the concept, I would like a link or reference to a non-Christian linguist who could substantiate this translation and interpretation.

That's definately an Eye Opener...

I somehow believe whoever our creator is is having major trouble communicating with us, because many of us will add our own biases to corrupt the creator's messages

I had a discussion with a guy that just wouldn't accept that he was mistranslating the verse to suit his beliefs. He kept quoting Christians who were translating the verse in this manner to substantiate the error. And he was stating that he was translating it accurately and that this was the manner scripture needed to be translated.

Originally posted by Regret
This is the scripture that some Christians use to validate their claim to the infallibility of the Bible.

They justify this through the following:

Verse sixteen in Greek:

"pasa grafh qeopneustov kai wfelimov prov didaskalian, prov elegmon, prov epanorqwsin, prov paideian thn en dikaiosunh|,"

"qeopneustov" is the Greek term translated into "given by inspiration."

"theopneustos" or "qeopneustov" has, as a portion of the origin, "pneu" which is translated "breath."

It is then inferred that use of the term is referring to God-breathed and not the more narrow definition of the actual term used in the writing of this verse.

This inference then leads them to the inference that since God is perfect, and Scripture is God-breathed, that the text must be infallible.

________________________________________

Is it me, or is this the largest amount of crap you have ever heard? In my opinion, it is a very desperate attempt at saving a false belief.

If you support the idea of an infallible Bible, and use this verse as support, which I believe is the only support they use for this, or at least the crux of the concept, I would like a link or reference to a non-Christian linguist who could substantiate this translation and interpretation.

"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it
And how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
That the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
II Timothy 3:14-17

* the term infallibility is really a misnomer... i would rather prefer what really is stated in the Bible - "all scripture is inspired by God"... and NOT "the Bible is infallible" shtick...

* by then, their inferences - scripture is infallible - is a blatant misinterpretation... 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I somehow believe whoever our creator is is having major trouble communicating with us, because many of us will add our own biases to corrupt the creator's messages

I figure whatever God told the prophet was perfect and infallible, but given the weakness of language and the inherent error in all language, by the time it was written I am sure there were one or two errors even if it were written almost immediately, and then interpretation and translation adds even more. Not to mention that much of scripture was written years after the actual God speaking point. In fact, scripture was an oral tradition until after the Israelites left Egypt, so some of the scripture was written hundreds to thousands of years after God actually spoke.

Originally posted by peejayd
"But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it
And how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
That the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
II Timothy 3:14-17

* the term infallibility is really a misnomer... i would rather prefer what really is stated in the Bible - "all scripture is inspired by God"... and NOT "the Bible is infallible" shtick...

* by then, their inferences - scripture is infallible - is a blatant misinterpretation... 😉

Wholly agreed, but then I knew you wouldn't argue with my instigating post in this thread 😉

2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
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What god are you talking about?...the god made by man or the ones with some truth to them?

Explain training to me also............is that a torture of this life until you get it right?

Originally posted by Regret
Wholly agreed, but then I knew you wouldn't argue with my instigating post in this thread 😉

* the third person i was talking about are those fake Christians...

* true Christians would never argue the fact that all scripture is inspired of God... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* the third person i was talking about are those fake Christians...

* true Christians would never argue the fact that all scripture is inspired of God... 😉

Agreed, it is definitely inspired.

Originally posted by debbiejo
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
.

What god are you talking about?...the god made by man or the ones with some truth to them?

Explain training to me also............is that a torture of this life until you get it right?

I would look into various translations of the Bible, or at least look into the definitions of the Greek yourself. The NIV isn't a very accurate translation, IMO. The NIV is an attempt at translating that takes into account theological interpretation during the translation process. This means they look for a way to translate it that will support their interpretation as often as possible, and not an actual direct translation, hence my first post.