Originally posted by FeceMan
Reading it the wrong way:"If you don't accept Christ as your savior, you're going to hell."
Reading it the right way:
"We were all destined for hell. However, Christ died for us to save us from that fate--he has given us eternal life."
Alway? Even if we don't accept the Jesus dude?
Originally posted by FeceMan
Reading it the wrong way:"If you don't accept Christ as your savior, you're going to hell."
Reading it the right way:
"We were all destined for hell. However, Christ died for us to save us from that fate--he has given us eternal life."
I'm glad you wrote this Feceman, because it gives me oppurtunity to point something out...
If we are all Destined for Hell, then that means two things:
1) GOD SENDS US THERE
2) WE DO NOT REALLY CHOOSE
The first statement pretty much clears any validity in my mind about the argument on how "we send ourselves to Hell"....because the "fact" that we are destined to go there from birth, means that nothing we do, good or bad, can get us out....therefore Free Will means jack shit.
Apparently, according to your testament, there is only one way: To accept Christ, yada yada, whatever that means....cuz there are tons of people who accept Christ as thier Lord, and still do horrible things.....they goin to Heaven 2 ??? 🙄
Secondly, we don't choose it...it's a THREAT not a gift....it's basically BLACKMAIL.....you just set yourself up, because you yourself admitted that GOD himself sends us there...since we are "destined" for Hell.
That means God isn't mature enough to judge us individually, instead out of his laziness he must clump us all together as "Jesus beleivers" and "non Jesus beleivers"
The more you and JIA speak on God's behalf, the more absurd he sounds....if you really want us to beleive, than just stop talking.....
Honestly...I liked God better when I didn't know that much about him....ever since I read the Bible more extensively, and heard these kind of religious arguments on God's behalf, I began to dislike him more and more....
Originally posted by FeceMan
You may not have asked him to die, but he did it nonetheless for the express purpose of saving you.
It just seems to mock the idea of free will.
"You are truly free, but because of something two people did thousands of years ago you are fundamentally damned regardless of the way you think"
"But good news, Jesus died for you, whether you wanted him to or not. This act you didn't choose will wash away that other act you didn't choose and while you are free not to accept the Jesus gift you will ultimately remain damned then because of this other act you had no control over. So use your free will to accept Jesus now, as God intended when he railroaded you down that path."
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We are not destined for hell. That is just part of the threat.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am a moron. I am, quite literally, stupid. I completely ignore everything that FeceMan says except for the parts that I can pick out and exploit to make God and--as an extension--Christians look bad.I am a huge douche.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
It just seems to mock the idea of free will."You are truly free, but because of something two people did thousands of years ago you are fundamentally damned regardless of the way you think"
"But good news, Jesus died for you, whether you wanted him to or not. This act you didn't choose will wash away that other act you didn't choose and while you are free not to accept the Jesus gift you will ultimately remain damned then because of this other act you had no control over. So use your free will to accept Jesus now, as God intended when he railroaded you down that path."
We don't have to be conservative. We don't have to be liberal. We don't have to be for one social issue and against another. We don't have to follow God's rules word-for-word. We don't have to be nice. We don't have to be generous. We don't have to be good, even.
All we have to do is ask.
Originally posted by FeceMan
We're not damned because of what other people did. We are damned because we have sinned and justice must be meted out according to our deeds. However, Christ took the punishment we deserve so that we would not have to suffer, and all we have to do so that we are free is ask.
Funny, Christians like to say how we are born into sin, what with Adam and Eve and all. That sin is bred into us because of what they did. And I say bugger that idea. I didn't eat the fruit - is shouldn't have to share in any of that.
We don't have to be conservative. We don't have to be liberal. We don't have to be for one social issue and against another. We don't have to follow God's rules word-for-word. We don't have to be nice. We don't have to be generous. We don't have to be good, even.All we have to do is ask.
"We don't have to be good, even." Why oh why is that a selling point? It just doesn't sit well that a person doesn't have to be good and still be "saved." I can accept a person who was bad asking and then living a good life, or trying to live a good life with good intent. But not having to be good at all? While a good person can end up in hell because they didn't believe in God due to the lamentable lack of reason or proof he has given us to believe? Bah.
Originally posted by FeceMan
We don't have to be conservative. We don't have to be liberal. We don't have to be for one social issue and against another. We don't have to follow God's rules word-for-word. We don't have to be nice. We don't have to be generous. We don't have to be good, even.All we have to do is ask.
ITS THAT SIMPLE ?!?!?!? 😱
Damn...then IM SAVED !!!!! YEAHHH !!!! I asked Jesus if i can go to Heaven a year ago, that means im IN !!!! RSVP !!!!
Now I'm gonna go and do all my little gay sins and STILL go to HEAVEN YEAHHHH !!!!! 😄