Big Brother is shouting at you

Originally posted by KidRock
Not much point in having Freedom if your getting mugged everyware and being killed.

Cuz I mean before camera's were around it was already rampant crazy, not so much.

Certain literature might depict aspects of life and history. Such books like Grapes of Wrath or The Jungle do bring out those mirror reflections. However, books like A brave new world and 1984 a more about predicting an uncertain future. Thus, it belongs in the realm of sci-fi. If we were to say that sci-fi projects such mirror life. Then by all means we have to wait 10,000 years for the Kwisatz Haderach to arrive in Arrakis and finally governs the spice trade.

Jules Verne anyone?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Certain literature might depict aspects of life and history. Such books like Grapes of Wrath or The Jungle do bring out those mirror reflections. However, books like A brave new world and 1984 a more about predicting an uncertain future. Thus, it belongs in the realm of sci-fi. If we were to say that sci-fi projects such mirror life. Then by all means we have to wait 10,000 years for the Kwisatz Haderach to arrive in Arrakis and finally governs the spice trade.

Of course, but '1984' and 'A Brave New World' offer cautionary tales of a possible - albeit exaggerated - future. The judgement that the writers use to make their projections are based in the society they see around them. Take a look at some of these quotes from '1984', and then try to tell me that they are not even slightly pertinent to today's world:

“To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed.”

“The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep the people frightened'.”

“The key-word here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts.”

"And if all others accepted the lie which the party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became the truth."

Originally posted by KidRock
Not much point in having Freedom if your getting mugged everyware and being killed.

if we want freedom then we must stop electing the corrupt few who would happily kill as many as possible to get there fascist system in place.
because the human race gives its mind away everyday, its easy for the few to control and manipulate the many. but i have hope as many people are know waking up to the lies produced by the people in power. 9/11 as an example.

I seek freedom for myself, for humanity, and for this planet and all her lifeforms. If there are those who believe, or claim to believe, otherwise, that is their right. But I know what is in my heart and that is good enough for me. Such people will benefit, too, from remembering that their children and grandchildren, of whatever colour, culture, or background, will have to live in the world we leave them. Would they prefer us to leave them freedom or the New World Order? To be accused of racism when you have love and freedom in your heart can be frustrating, but no scale of criticism will stop me. It is time for humanity to stop running away. Time to let go of fear
We need to love, respect, and forgive ourselves and, through that, love, respect and forgive everyone else. One will come with the other. It begins with self. I don't have to set out new economic and political structures and tell people how they must live to create a
better society. Who the hell am I to tell someone else what they should do, anyway? I know what is right for me, not you. From the transformation of mind which love, respect, and forgiveness of self will trigger, all these other answers will naturally evolve. We have the tyrannical structures of today because that is the reality the
collective mind has created by its attitude to itself. When we change that attitude, we change the world. The pyramid becomes a circle. The human race, in general, doesn't like itself, let alone love itself. That is reflected in the physical reality. When love abounds within us, love will wrap its arms around the planet and it is on that foundation that all else will follow.

Originally posted by Deano
if we want freedom then we must stop electing the corrupt few who would happily kill as many as possible to get there fascist system in place.
because the human race gives its mind away everyday, its easy for the few to control and manipulate the many. but i have hope as many people are know waking up to the lies produced by the people in power. 9/11 as an example.

Seriously you ruin some good conversation by getting to carried away, you do, seriously.

You have a good point, now stop the fascist piece for two minutes so someone might actually enjoy reading what you have to say.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo

“To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed.”

“The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep the people frightened'.”

“The key-word here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts.”

"And if all others accepted the lie which the party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became the truth."

orwell knew alright. frightened people are much easier to control and manipulate. i bet he is somersaulting in his grave now.

problem reaction solution is a great tool for the government. create the problem, encourage the reaction then offer the solution to the problem you created. aka 9/11.

even tho the official version of 9/11 has been demolished it still prevails in the public mind. Stop anyone in London, New York, Cape Town, Sydney, anywhere, and ask them what happened on September 11th, or in Oklahoma, the Second World War or Kosovo. Almost every time they'll give you the official story because that is the only one they have heard. If we had real mainstream journalism the problem-reaction-solution technique could not work. The official version of events would be investigated and shown to have no foundation. This fact would be communicated to the people and the public reaction, desired by the authorities, would not be forthcoming. But instead, we have media that is little more than a public relations office for the official version of life and that makes problem-reaction-solution a breeze for the manipulators.

Originally posted by Soleran
Seriously you ruin some good conversation by getting to carried away, you do, seriously.

You have a good point, now stop the fascist piece for two minutes so someone might actually enjoy reading what you have to say.

its not getting carried away is it tho? we cant keep turning away for this can we

Originally posted by Deano
if we want freedom then we must stop electing the corrupt few who would happily kill as many as possible to get there fascist system in place.

What does it matter who we elect as they are not in power or have the power to decide anyting anyways.. isn't that what you've been telling people for years?

Aren't the illuminati/jesuits/lizard people in charge?

For christ's sake could a mod please ban Deano for all his conspiracey ramblings that belong in another forum alltogether.

For a few months this forum was free of this sh*t and now it's back.

This thread makes me laugh.

It should be in the conspiracy forum, with all his other random, pointless, idiotic gumf.

Originally posted by Captain REX
This thread makes me laugh.

It should be in the conspiracy forum, with all his other random, pointless, idiotic gumf.

nope wrong

z0mg rly?

Tell me why I am wrong.

Cameras are one thing, but when a loudspeaker yells at you, that's just stupid.

If I was that bike rider, I'd have kept riding through all the people. **** 'em.

I don't get the big deal about a camera in a public place. If it's out on a street corner or something...you're in public. Everyone around you can see what you're doing as well, so really I don't understand the fuss.

Originally posted by Captain REX
z0mg rly?

Tell me why I am wrong.

Because - apart from Deano's occasional meanderings - we are all discussing the implications of extended surveillance of members of the public.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
What does it matter who we elect as they are not in power or have the power to decide anyting anyways.. isn't that what you've been telling people for years?

Aren't the illuminati/jesuits/lizard people in charge?

For christ's sake could a mod please ban Deano for all his conspiracey ramblings that belong in another forum alltogether.

For a few months this forum was free of this sh*t and now it's back.

He's mocking Deano's conspiracies.

And alrighty, Krunk. It seemed to me that the thread had dived into conspiracy theorizing...AGAIN...but if its still on topic, nevermind.

Anyways.

My ruling on this is, if you have nothing to hide, who cares? Deano can't go out and shoot someone on the streets now, o noes. The cameras aren't in your bedroom, and you know that the cameras there. I don't see the problem.

Just like having your baggage checked in the airport. Don't put stupid shit in your case then complain about being checked.

Originally posted by Captain REX
My ruling on this is, if you have nothing to hide, who cares? Deano can't go out and shoot someone on the streets now, o noes. The cameras aren't in your bedroom, and you know that the cameras there. I don't see the problem.

Just like having your baggage checked in the airport. Don't put stupid shit in your case then complain about being checked.

The problem with the whole 'if you having nothing to hide, then who cares' train of thought is that if that's the case then why should you be watched in the first place?

Also, without going over-board, measures like this do have a tendency of becoming more intrusive as they are gradually accepted.

What's more amazing isn't Deano's insights (as they were) many people have been aware of this for some time now. If I weren't so greedy I would prefer to live on an island with a fishing pole and shrimp net (easy life I am contemplating)

However something is staring us in the eyes we need to grab it both deano and krunk illustrate this better than I do, none the less it is upon us.

I have to agree that while this measure isn't entirely unreasonable (hey, if you have nothing to hide, then why be worried?), but it opens up the path for a lot more intrusion. If you can be videotaped while out in public, then why not recorded as well? After all, anyone walking by you on the street can hear what you say so why not record it as well? And it just keeps going on and on.

Cut it at the source. One intrusion leads to another lead to another.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I have to agree that while this measure isn't entirely unreasonable (hey, if you have nothing to hide, then why be worried?), but it opens up the path for a lot more intrusion. If you can be videotaped while out in public, then why not recorded as well? After all, anyone walking by you on the street can hear what you say so why not record it as well? And it just keeps going on and on.

Cut it at the source. One intrusion leads to another lead to another.

How strange. At first you say that it "isn't entirely unreasonable", and ponder the old fallacy of 'if you having nothing to hide, then why be worried?', then you detail exactly what is wrong with the intrusion! Perhaps, you could be a little more coherent?

Let me clarify. While on the surface it might not seem so bad, it starts a chain that snowballs. One small intrusion leads to another small one, and 20 or 40 years in the future we've ended up with a society that we would never accept today.