Omega Red vs Batman

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Without his healing factor, Wolverine would be susceptible to gases and electric batarangs. Batman would throw a couple of either of those at Wolvie and its lights out.

Batman still wins.

wolverine showed speed to defent himself against bullets with his claws with really fast features, i am sure he can defend himself from the batarangs any day or avoiding the elctric ones, about gasses it depends how much room they got because if they have enough wolverine can get away from that area if its a small room then ye the gass takes him down ... but the reason i took out wolverines healing factor and claws is because i want to go more to the fighting espect of the two

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but it's been acknowledged by Marvel that because of the adamantium, Wolverine's punches do more damage than there would be otherwise because their weighted and his knuckles are harder. Think of it like hitting someone with a fist pack, or brass knuckles.

Wearing brass knuckles is a completely different concept. It changes the entire shape of the fist, thus changing the kind of impact it will have, and thus changing the amount of damage dealt.

Now, picture the brass knucles inside the fist, just as if they were your normal knuckles, only composed of brass. If you punched someone, it would hurt the exact same as it would with bone knuckles. Substitute the same thing with titanium, or even adamantium. It doesn't change the force of impact. Really, think about it.

The ONLY thing adamantium does for punches and kicks is that he can't break his hand/foot on opponents. His bones are more durable, but that doesn't make his hits any harder.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wearing brass knuckles is a completely different concept. It changes the entire shape of the fist, thus changing the kind of impact it will have, and thus changing the amount of damage dealt.

Now, picture the brass knucles inside the fist, just as if they were your normal knuckles, only composed of brass. If you punched someone, it would hurt the exact same as it would with bone knuckles. Substitute the same thing with titanium, or even adamantium. It doesn't change the force of impact. Really, think about it.

The ONLY thing adamantium does for punches and kicks is that he can't break his hand/foot on opponents. His bones are more durable, but that doesn't make his hits any harder.

the adamentium adds weight, and mass which are all very efective here , and of course the element itself is much harder and the impact will cause more pain

same thing i will say take a wood pipe and metal pipe.... with wood pipe you could make some damage but metal pipe will bust the man open because of the weight mass and its harder, take a wood bat and slam it against a cement... it wont do anything.... take a metal bat which is not holow inside but same as the wooden bat and hit the cement .... you will see marks on the cement it will make more damage

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but his punches are weighted to. Haven't you ever hit someone with a fist pack? It makes a BIG difference.

So, if you were to tie weight around your hand, you would hit harder? 🤨

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with a "fist pack".

weight adds a lot to your strike of course

That's only because the metal is more durable and won't break against the cement. That still doesn't prove it hits harder.

Hitting someone with a pair of brass knuckles and a pair of solid wood knuckles (assuming they don't break) would produce the same damage and cause the same amount of pain.

plus when he hits metal against bones... metal is much harder then bones so it will cause damage to you to hit metal

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, if you were to tie weight around your hand, you would hit harder? 🤨

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with a "fist pack".

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's only because the metal is more durable and won't break against the cement. That still doesn't prove it hits harder.

Hitting someone with a pair of brass knuckles and a pair of solid wood knuckles (assuming they don't break) would produce the same damage and cause the same amount of pain.

actually no .... if you hit someone with a wood knuckle it is lighter.... you will make him bleed but nothing more.... now metal knuckle got much more weight and also the element itself is much stronger then your skull so it will bust you open when in contact

Originally posted by darthgoober
A fist pack is a small weight that you hold in your hand while punching. The best fist pack are coin rolls or things resembling coin rolls. The added weight, combined with the roll reinforcing your hand so your fingers don't give or break, adds considerable force to a punch.(I used to have to fight in school a lot, that's why I know this.)

Oh, I see. But you don't you see it? That changes the fist altogether!

By adding this fist pack, it not only changes the weight (which doesn't change the impact), but it changes the form/design of the fist because your holding onto something, which changes the positions of your fingers against your palm. It follows the same exact logic of the brass knuckles. Any change you make to the actual form/design of the fist will change the amount of damage/pain produced. Don't you see?

How will the adamantium in his bones protect Wolverine's pressure points or protect him from all of the nerve holds/strikes that Batman knows? How will it protect him from a chop to the windpipe?

Remember, Wolverine has no healing power, so he's not going to brush those off.

he dies... YAYYY

Originally posted by wolvertooth
actually no .... if you hit someone with a wood knuckle it is lighter.... you will make him bleed but nothing more.... now metal knuckle got much more weight and also the element itself is much stronger then your skull so it will bust you open when in contact

...No, it won't. If you hit someone the EXACT SAME WAY in the EXACT SAME PLACE with each pair of knuckles, the EXACT SAME effect will be produced.

By your logic, a metal baseball bat wouldn't hurt as much as a wooden one, since wooden bats are heavier than the metal bats. <--Truth.

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
How will the adamantium in his bones protect Wolverine's pressure points or protect him from all of the nerve holds/strikes that Batman knows? How will it protect him from a chop to the windpipe?

Remember, Wolverine has no healing power, so he's not going to brush those off.

it wont protect him ... but who say he will just stand ? wolverine knows presure points too andhe is very skilled martial artist ... maybe wolverine will hit batman first and takehim down , or avoid batman hits, thats why i said that speed is really important here and i personally see wolverine to be faster then batman wolverine showed great features of speed , super human speed at fighting and moving

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, I see. But you don't you see it? That changes the fist altogether!

By adding this fist pack, it not only changes the weight (which doesn't change the impact), but it changes the form/design of the fist because your holding onto something, which changes the positions of your fingers against your palm. It follows the same exact logic of the brass knuckles. Any change you make to the actual form/design of the fist will change the amount of damage/pain produced. Don't you see?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...No, it won't. If you hit someone the EXACT SAME WAY in the EXACT SAME PLACE with each pair of knuckles, the EXACT SAME effect will be produced.

By your logic, a metal baseball bat wouldn't hurt as much as a wooden one, since wooden bats are heavier than the metal bats. <--Truth.

well for you as a person they will both hurt as hell and you will be ko , so a person cant feel much difference, but if you hit something more durable then yes because metal bats are holow inside while the wood bats are not thats why they will hurt you more , now if they had same shape inside.... the metal bat will make much more damage because the weight and the fact that the element will make much more damage due to the fact that its much harder, if you take a wood pipe and hit a cars hood it wont make too much damage, but metal pipe will make much much more

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes that's all true, but the added weight would still add to the momentum of the punch. It would basically be like the difference between getting hit by a locomotive on it's own, or a locomotive that's pulling several train cars behind it.

While that does make sense in a certain way, I don't think that kind of logic can be applied to a punch. A locomotive has far too much power that is used to pull all that weight. Now if Wolverine were much, much stronger, it would be different.

Any sort of extra weight added to a fist would only serve to slow the fist (albeit VERY INSIGNIFICANTLY) down. If your hand's bones were solid metal, the added weight would slow your hand down. You may not notice it much, but it would.

In fact, I'd even say that bone-claw Wolverine hits harder than adamantium-clawed Wolvie. His hand weighs less, and since he's been using his metal-coated fists for so long, it would be like training with weights on and then taking them off. You'd move considerably faster.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
well for you as a person they will both hurt as hell and you will be ko , so a person cant feel much difference, but if you hit something more durable then yes because metal bats are holow inside while the wood bats are not thats why they will hurt you more , now if they had same shape inside.... the metal bat will make much more damage because the weight and the fact that the element will make much more damage due to the fact that its much harder, if you take a wood pipe and hit a cars hood it wont make too much damage, but metal pipe will make much much more

...That's only because the wood breaks easier. Assuming the wood doesn't break, the damage produced is equivalent.