seriously he won't be able to prevent her from reading his moves. she's read better fighters before. She's only lost in a serious battle to Batgirl and Prometheus with her skills as well as others downloaded into her brain. and don't you bring bats cause she was being controlled by Grodd so that point is moot. Shiva 7/10
Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously he won't be able to prevent her from reading his moves. she's read better fighters before. She's only lost in a serious battle to Batgirl and Prometheus with her skills as well as others downloaded into her brain. and don't you bring bats cause she was being controlled by Grodd so that point is moot. Shiva 7/10
I wasn't gonna bring up that Grodd thing cause that was wrong on so many levels.
And Daredevil has concealed his moves from Elektra, The thing with Daredevil is that cause he can read his opponents moves from their various tells he knows what to do in order to conceal his moves from others.
OH and Shiva wins on Strength & Durability
Shiva has fought continuously for 72 hours, slept for 1 hour and continued for another 72 hours, Shiva can last 2 weeks on 2 hours sleep [so can Batman reference War Crimes storyarc when Batman finally punks Black Mask]
kick through living Oak
punch through reinforced concrete
knock out class 100 with one punch
re sensory perception,
Shiva will read as an anomoly, a vague presence violating DD'S personal space just the way
Mr Terriffic[JSA] reads to Batman [JLA] even when Batman is scanning the area through his optics, microphones in the cowl on multiple wavelengths, xray, infra red, night vision , ultrasound oral residue... 6th sense... the whole lot'
and just the way
Longshot registered as a vague presence to the sentient ship known as "Ship" "Proffessor" "Prosh", standing on the deck of the celestial Ship!
this was during Inferno the splinter X-posse led by Maddie & Havok based in australia cloaked themselves through alien tech.
DD will know he's not alone ie: there's something to the right ie: an area of space that is inert, registering no activity [no sound waves passing through it, carrying no pollen, with no traces of pheremones or exhaust, WTF? and rapidly approaching, WTF? and that will be his dying thought.
A clean death as befitts a noble warrier, hey Brubaker!
Originally posted by don't shiv
re sensory perception,Shiva will read as an anomoly, a vague presence violating DD'S personal space just the way
She may read that way to normal people but not DD. Other elite Hand ninja are also able to do this and while its harder than normal for him to sense them Daredevil can locate them no problem
Originally posted by don't shiv
Mr Terriffic[JSA] reads to Batman [JLA] even when Batman is scanning the area through his optics, microphones in the cowl on multiple wavelengths, xray, infra red, night vision , ultrasound oral residue... 6th sense... the whole lot'
Mr Terrific doesn't show to Bruce cause his power is that he's invisible to technology. Not cause he's some super great ninja
Originally posted by don't shiv
DD will know he's not alone ie: there's something to the right ie: an area of space that is inert, registering no activity [no sound waves passing through it, carrying no pollen, with no traces of pheremones or exhaust, WTF? and rapidly approaching, WTF? and that will be his dying thought.
You just said it yourself, he'll sense where she is cause that particualr area is void of everything. Plus DD can feel air rushing around him when someone is gonna strike him. Shiva isn't gonna sneak up on him.
I honestly don't think you know the scope of Daredevil's powers. Your treating him like his Batman or some other random martial artist who Shiva can sneak up on without giving away her presence. Daredevil can and will sense Shiva, plus his senses will allow him to dodge her blows. His radar will help him land blows where they are most effective.
You say not to use the example of Prometheus cause he has her and 29 other tops fighters in his mind. That would explain why he humiliated her. But then again he was almost killed by Green Arrow and Hush so I wouldn't be so quick to put him on a pedestal. Don't forget Batgirl. You say don't use that cause she was hilding back against her only daughter? Well what about the time when Batgirl lost her ability to read people? Shiva had no problem beating her to a pulp. SHe only let her live cause she wanted some competetion.
the point is she can't be stopped from being read. and even elite Hand Ninjas are cannon fodder. they're just the "elite" stupid morons who could be taken on by Jubilee. just as his radar gives him the ability to dodge her moves so will she dodge his moves. She's read better like Richard Dragon for instance?
Originally posted by Superherovandal
the point is she can't be stopped from being read. and even elite Hand Ninjas are cannon fodder. they're just the "elite" stupid morons who could be taken on by Jubilee. just as his radar gives him the ability to dodge her moves so will she dodge his moves. She's read better like Richard Dragon for instance?
The best fighters in Marvel can be read by Daredevil. Wolverine, Shang Chi, Iron Fist etc can all be read and predicted by those guys.
No she can't dodge him in the same way that she can Richard. See is not nearly as adept at sensing people as he is. Go back to Batgirl. She's dodged Shiva's moves by reading her and her skills are basically a rip of Daredevil's. The ability to anticipate your opponents, sense where they are going to strike before even they know. You are severely underestimating Daredevil my friend
and apparently you underestimate Batgirl. she's a better fighter than Daredevil and quite fast. able to dodge multiple bullets at point blank range so losing to her isn't something to be ashamed of. She's just better than Shiva but that doesn't mean that Shiva shouldn't beat Daredevil. apparently you don't know how well Shiva reads moves.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
and apparently you underestimate Batgirl. she's a better fighter than Daredevil and quite fast. able to dodge multiple bullets at point blank range so losing to her isn't something to be ashamed of.
Wait you mean Batgirl can dodge bullets?!??! 😱
Wow! Daredevil could never do something like that............................................................. 🙄
Originally posted by Superherovandal
and apparently you underestimate Batgirl. she's a better fighter than Daredevil and quite fast. able to dodge multiple bullets at point blank range so losing to her isn't something to be ashamed of. She's just better than Shiva but that doesn't mean that Shiva shouldn't beat Daredevil. apparently you don't know how well Shiva reads moves.
You don't know the context this is in. Don't shiv said not to use Batgirl as an example cause she holds back against Batgirl. I simply pointed out that wasn't the case and that Shiva is not invincible. I know all about Batgirl, her enhanced abilities and her skills. I know all about Shiva's ability to determine her opponents moves by watching their movements. And I know all about how she can even learn a person's entire fighting style just from watching a few moves. Apparently you're the one who's doesn't know much about Daredevil and his senses. Or about Daredevil and his ninja abilities. Daredevil can will be able to predict her moves cause he's done the same to other supposedly "unreadable fighters", he's been able to shield his moves from those who are also able to read moves (cause of his own signature style that shields his moves). If you don't no much about Daredevil at least check out the respect thread to get a handle on the character
Shiva would annihilate daredevil. . DD would hold his own,for a while, but eventually,she'll get the upper hand and beat him into the ground.
I dont know about all that pheromone stuff, but i do know that you dont become the head assasin of a 600 year old , genocidal madman with a penchant for coming back from the dead by just being"pretty damn good".
and apparently you underestimate Batgirl. she's a better fighter than Daredevil and quite fast. able to dodge multiple bullets at point blank range so losing to her isn't something to be ashamed of. She's just better than Shiva but that doesn't mean that Shiva shouldn't beat Daredevil. apparently you don't know how well Shiva reads moves.
DD can deflect bullets at point blank range and DD is a better fighter. Apparently you don't know how well DD knows someone is going to attack before the attacker even knows.
Plus his stats are better.
since when is DD a wayyy better fighter than Cassie Batgirl. She's probably the best human fighter in DCU better than Batman, and Lady Shiva. So don't you go saying DD is better than her. and Batgirl can easily read people including Lady Shiva who can read also. SO your point about him reading her is moot. and DD was being owned by Echo who copied his moves well Batgirl would do that wayy better. She'd know his whole style like an open book just by fighting him for like a minute.