Zoom vs. Thor/Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Inhuman
you are under the impression that the elders can only use the power primordial for one particular power and that the other powers just get minimized.
you sir are dead wrong. maybe other elders like the champion mostly focus on strength, but runner is the exception.
he has all those things and is equally powerfull in them. read his bio on the link on my sig.
Thats the problem. most people have no clue on the runner.

I am dead wrong for asking a question? How can someone be wrong for asking a question. And why would he call himself the runner if he is equally powerful in every thing? Why not call himself God. or The best Elder, or simply Elder?

The surfer fanboyism is astounding, Zoom takes this 10/10.

Not only can surfer NOT time manipulate (their exist no scans for this), the only two scans of surfer time traveling, the one where hes falling through time and secondly the scan posted earlier which showns him viewing time and and he had to bfr himself, that and he wasnt able to alter time in anyway only view it.

Zoom as on panel said by wonderwomen when she was hit by him "His punches are like superman's" (some thing like that), ss could try to get to zoom's plane of existence but you think this is going to do anything? He controls all time on his plane, SS is dead.

Zoom 10/10

Vally, Juanti, bats, nice scans and arguing for zoom.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I am dead wrong for asking a question? How can someone be wrong for asking a question. And why would he call himself the runner if he is equally powerful in every thing? Why not call himself God. or The best Elder, or simply Elder?

ok you werent wrong, just misinformed. Or underimformed.
For the most part the elders doent have alot of showings. The Runners showings pretty much put him up as probably the one that can beat the others asses.
Champion has the most showing of the elders and he is quietly becoming the cosmic rhyno.
Runner would destroy champion if they got it on ( they almost did once)
Now your getting how pimp runner really is 😎

Originally posted by Inhuman
😱 🤨❌ wow!

tonned down as in slower ? or as in overall?
You do know that runner is a cosmic right? an elder of the universe. Probably the elder that can kick the crap out of all the other elders.
immortal,indestructable, incalcuble strenth, cosmic blasts, ect, ect.

Originally posted by Inhuman
ok you werent wrong, just misinformed. Or underimformed.
For the most part the elders doent have alot of showings. The Runners showings pretty much put him up as probably the one that can beat the others asses.
Champion has the most showing of the elders and he is quietly becoming the cosmic rhyno. So Runner would destroy champion.
Now your getting how pimp runner really is 😎

Speculation holds little to no grounds on this forum, no on panel feats means no weight in a debate.

some people say the runner can do so many things, how about showing scans of these?

Originally posted by Inhuman
ok you werent wrong, just misinformed. Or underimformed.
For the most part the elders doent have alot of showings. The Runners showings pretty much put him up as probably the one that can beat the others asses.
Champion has the most showing of the elders and he is quietly becoming the cosmic rhyno. So Runner would destroy champion.
Now your getting how pimp runner really is 😎

I read his thread, but he doesn't seem to have this unlimited strength that you are claiming. That seems to still belong to Champion. He doesn't seem that smart Either. He is powerful. Probably somewhere around Auron or Light Ray lvl.

Originally posted by Juntai
Why couldn't he handle Surfer after that initial meeting then? [Which I personally believe came down to the power Runner has of making people like him, so Surfer wasn't trying.] I recall seeing Surfer serving him and a few others up at the same time. O.o

i believe he was double teamed.
But I hope someone has the scans cause ive been searching for them relentlessly.
And about surfer wasnt trying. Why do you thing surfer was pissed off and said "NOW youll know the true power of the surfer!"
and he still got his ass beat.

Surfer specifically said in his confrontation with the runner, that he didnt want to fight him because he felt a liking for him or felt euphoric around the runner.

Then later on the Runner is defeated

Originally posted by Jesse7
Surfer specifically said in his confrontation with the runner, that he didnt want to fight him because he felt a liking for him or felt euphoric around the runner.

Then later on the Runner is defeated

wtf?! where? scan please.

I dont have the comic, just check the issue he first fights the runner, Silver surfer specifically says he doesnt want to fight him or that he feels euphoric around him and cant concentrate.

Originally posted by Jesse7
The surfer fanboyism is astounding, Zoom takes this 10/10.

Irony pours out of this, since you also blatantly and consistently state you fight for the underdog, your words hold little value for this discussion.

Once again SS and Thor win this overwhelmingly, 9/10.

Zoom has been beaten by a blind wonderwoman and by regular Supes.

Originally posted by batdude123
'Cause Superman is just that badass???!!! evillaugh

Ah, it's SO easy to support Superman in an argument. 😎

Originally posted by Soleran
Irony pours out of this, since you also blatantly and consistently state you fight for the underdog, your words hold little value for this discussion.

Once again SS and Thor win this overwhelmingly, 9/10.

Zoom has been beaten by a [b]blind wonderwoman and by regular Supes. [/B]

I said I like to argue for the underdog, do I always no? This debate in point, Zoom isn't the underdog, SS and Thor are.

You can dismiss my word all you want, but I use on panel feats and on panel examples that are real.

You want to count Zoom's loss to WW as completely true? Do you know the context of the battle, he was ambushed by her and he wasn't trying against her.

I could bring up many low showings for SS, I often wonder if SS has more low showings then high showings
-Nearly killed by a knife
-brought to his knees by 1 thunderbolt from storm
-Ko'ed by thanos in melee combat multiple times
-Ko'ed by Thor in combat (SS was using his powers)
-Ko'ed by Thor when he wasnt even trying (Thor thought SS wanted to spar)
-Nearly killed just by being near Dracula
-Pulled off his board by Mephisto
-Knocked off his board by the runner
-His board was meted effortlessly by the stranger
etc. etc.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I said I like to argue for the underdog, do I always no? This debate in point, Zoom isn't the underdog, SS and Thor are.

You can dismiss my word all you want, but I use on panel feats and on panel examples that are real.

Please be my guest I used them as well a BLIND WW and a regular SM took out Zoom. Guess what SS does it even faster.

Originally posted by Soleran
Zoom has been beaten by a [b]blind wonderwoman and by regular Supes. [/B]

He LET Diana lasso him. 😂 🙄

Originally posted by batdude123
He LET Diana lasso him. 😂 🙄

So its fair to say she beat him then, huh.🙂

I could bring up many low showings for SS, I often wonder if SS has more low showings then high showings
-Nearly killed by a knife
-brought to his knees by 1 thunderbolt from storm
-Ko'ed by thanos in melee combat multiple times
-Ko'ed by Thor in combat (SS was using his powers)
-Ko'ed by Thor when he wasnt even trying (Thor thought SS wanted to spar)
-Nearly killed just by being near Dracula
-Pulled off his board by Mephisto
-Knocked off his board by the runner
-His board was meted effortlessly by the stranger
etc. etc.

Originally posted by Soleran
So its fair to say she beat him then, huh.🙂

You want to count Zoom's loss to WW as completely true? Do you know the context of the battle, he was ambushed by her and he wasn't trying against her, and he let HER lasso him.

I guess all of SS loss are fair to say they are losses too then?

Originally posted by Jesse7
I could bring up many low showings for SS, I often wonder if SS has more low showings then high showings
-Nearly killed by a knife
-brought to his knees by 1 thunderbolt from storm
-Ko'ed by thanos in melee combat multiple times
-Ko'ed by Thor in combat (SS was using his powers)
-Ko'ed by Thor when he wasnt even trying (Thor thought SS wanted to spar)
-Nearly killed just by being near Dracula
-Pulled off his board by Mephisto
-Knocked off his board by the runner
-His board was meted effortlessly by the stranger
etc. etc.

Uh huh did you read some of those, his low showings aren't that low. Please show me the death by knife scan please or at least tell me what its from.

Zoom will get blown up when either Surfer destroy the world or Thor does or he gets transported somewhere or SS just sticks out an arm when Zoom runs by and he decapitates himself lol.

Zoom is dead, if he was so powerful Superman and the rest of the forces of good would be gone, thanks though.

You want to count Zoom's loss to WW as completely true? Do you know the context of the battle, he was ambushed by her and he wasn't trying against her, and he let HER lasso him.

I guess all of SS loss are fair to say they are losses too then?

please explain to me how you ambush someone that is faster then the flash, this will be good.

For plot reasons he didn't kill the others, if you would have read the issue/s you would know that he wasnt tryig against the others.

Your comment on Zoom will be destroyed by SS so called explosions shows your lack of knowledge of Zoom, SS can try to hit all he wants but itsp ssible to say he never will hit zoom because Zoom can dissapere from this plane of existence at will.

Zoom wins this 10/10

O and I forgot a brick also ko'ed SS before