Originally posted by Lord Melkor
Though I would argue that our jolly bunch of Darkies in PT game is not really subtle..... I would love some more politics there, I tried to create some opportunities with Epireans, but my noble corruption efforts were sellfishly countered by other players.
Noble corruption, eh? Suuuuure.
I don't agree, though - I'd say that we can be pretty subtle - there was that rift at the start of the last episode that we had to sort out - it's just that we choose not to be.
Originally posted by General KalieroOf course we can but where is the fun in that.
I'm certain that we have the capacity to be subtle. It's just that Galder and Rianna like violent, bloody action, and no one wants to argue with them. 😛We WERE subtle when stealing the parts, though. So we CAN do it if necessary.
I mean what else are us Type Cs good for.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
I'm certain that we have the capacity to be subtle. It's just that Galder and Rianna like violent, bloody action, and no one wants to argue with them. 😛We WERE subtle when stealing the parts, though. So we CAN do it if necessary.
Though oddly enough, Rianna's the sneakiest of all of us.
She just can't be subtle when there's things around she wants to kill (Jedi, Osokans...Rand...).
Originally posted by Lord Melkor
What I really meant were not mainly sneaky tactics but stuff like managing followers or power structure.
That will simply never really work in this group because once someone not happy with the people trying to set stuff up find out, they'll likely be very determined to try and stop it. Like what happened last time with your attempts to plot against Rianna and Galder and try to get them under control 😛
Yes, but this is the only way Darkside can gain power, I think.
I was quite interested in Jedi vs Sith game Ush once proposed for the reason of exploring Darkside politics. Wouldn`t the Sith win if it wasn`t for infighting? I always assumed Darkside was more powerful offensively. Darth Maul wasn`t stronger with force or wiser than Qui-Gon, but he was better at the art of death and destruction. Jedi just don`t focus on such destructive aspects of Force, and don`t use 'easy way" with their emotions.
Well indeed, such a game would have looked at that issue.
But also what we mean by 'more powerful' if we conclude the Dark Side is so. More powerful at what? Hard to say that generally.
The issue will be explored in minitature elsewhere. Gallagher will have as much discussion about the Dark Side as he likes with Sienar. Meanwhile, the Dark Side game will look at the transition between gaining power- which is something the Dark Side is good at- but then also holding power, which is where it gets tricky.
What I meant is that Darkside is more powerful at destruction. And manipulation/corruption, but I would say destruction is the more basic aspect.
Let`s say you have your basic Jedi Knight and Sith duelling. Jedi is trained to protect innocent life, refrain from using excessive violence and control his violent emotions. And for the Sith, victory is all that matters, he will use any means possible to crush the Jedi, unleashing his hatred and fury. The best way for Jedi to win is to be more patient and look for a single mistake, like Obi versus Darth Maul. But overall I would say that Sith are more warrior-focused than Jedi.
Now the situation is diffrent when there is larger Light versus Dark confrontation. Jedi can fully trust each other, and can easily turn the Darkside inner rivalry to their advantage. Average Darksider may be cunning, but I would say that he lacks Jedi wisdom. Only true Dark Masters like Sienar seem the have the kind of "Dark Wisdom" though I doubt they can free themselves from arrogance that is the part of their sellfish nature.
What do you think about my interpretation, Ush?
Manipulation/corruption is a means. The Light Side has its own themes of trust and co-operation that bring similar results. The problem is that the Galaxy tends to be against them, because it's not just force users; the ideals of Light and Dark live in everyone, and it is easier to be Dark. The Jedi are champions but in an innately selfish galaxy.
Also, there is the old vibe that it is much easier to destroy than to protect. So the Jedi have a more difficult task by default. The Jedi don't seek war with the Sith; it is always a matter of the Sith wanting to destroy what the Jedi protect. Not that the Jedi are shy to exterminate such a threat, but they are not 'first move' kind of people.
Whether the Dark Side literally makes you more powerful because it is easier, or let's you get to the same point, simply with less effort, is not entirely clear.
But there are ways in which the Dark Side, from a certain view, is more powerful, and the next Jedi game is about that.
Originally posted by Lana
That will simply never really work in this group because once someone not happy with the people trying to set stuff up find out, they'll likely be very determined to try and stop it. Like what happened last time with your attempts to plot against Rianna and Galder and try to get them under control 😛
Don't forget who helped you with that... 😉