skyfather is a vague term anyway....
seriously, what can odin do? aside from being the king of asgard? fire uber strong energy blasts? matter manipulate? move at warp speeds? superior intelligence/wisdom?
i can name non-skyfathers who have those attributes....
mammon>>>>>>>odin
Lord Urizen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>odin
slight edge to parallax 6/10
spawn=thor
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Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Actually, after thinking about it more It would be a bit of a stretch to say he was the next level after skyfather, such as a full powered galactus or eternity.Although, it would be a extremely underwhelming to put spawn at Thor/SS/Green lantern level (he would destory all of them, quite easily infact), i would have to agree that spawn is probably a VERY high skyfather, but a skyfather none the less
There is a step above Sky Father. It's called Entity lvl. Mephisto is beyond Skyfather but less than full abstract. He's an entity lvl being. So was 2nd age spawn.
Human
Super Human
Herald LvL
God
Sky Father
Entity
Abstract
Agents of God
God
Each of these has thier own inner lvls, but this is the general idea of power
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
skyfather is a vague term anyway....seriously, what can odin do? aside from being the king of asgard? fire uber strong energy blasts? matter manipulate? move at warp speeds? superior intelligence/wisdom?
i can name non-skyfathers who have those attributes....
mammon>>>>>>>odin
Lord Urizen>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>odinslight edge to parallax 6/10
spawn=thor
😆
Mammon >>> Odin? Based on what? Getting his eyelid scarred?
We know guys like Odin and Zeus are powerful because they have Galaxy-busting power. I don't recall Spawn ever displaying that kind of power.
Originally posted by Accel
I don't see why it's so laughable to suggest that Spawn was around Thor level this time. Practically every thing he did, Thor could replicate. Spawn has beaten/stalemated possible Sky-Fathers, but so has Thor (Galactus, Zues, etc)Mammon >>> Odin? Based on what? Getting his eyelid scarred?
We know guys like Odin and Zeus are powerful because they have Galaxy-busting power. I don't recall Spawn ever displaying that kind of power.
Agents of Heaven and Hell tend to be more powerful than Sky Fathers and Gods. In marvel, it's a little screwed. but since God and the Devil are pretty much the biggest players in the cosmos, thier more powerful agents tend to be more powerful since they have universal power and influence, where as sky father's tend to be solar system up to galaxy lvl in power. THo Galaxy is stretching it if you consider that Skyfather's come from the planets in which they are worshipped and rarely supass solar system lvl power. Spawn as a ruler in hell is entity lvl in power and would creme a godling like Thor.
Originally posted by thedude1948
What is so insulting about being called Thor level? from the Spawn comics ive read the Universe is alot weaker than either Marvel or DC. Nobody in the Spawn Universe is above Sky-father except "Mother".
Thor is a Super Hero. Superheroes highest power lvls tend to be high tier herald lvl. Spawn is above that. Spawn is not a super hero.
SOme of the higher heroes like Takion, and Genis Vell, tend to not be heroes in the true sense either.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Agents of Heaven and Hell tend to be more powerful than Sky Fathers and Gods. In marvel, it's a little screwed. but since God and the Devil are pretty much the biggest players in the cosmos, thier more powerful agents tend to be more powerful since they have universal power and influence, where as sky father's tend to be solar system up to galaxy lvl in power. THo Galaxy is stretching it if you consider that Skyfather's come from the planets in which they are worshipped and rarely supass solar system lvl power. Spawn as a ruler in hell is entity lvl in power and would creme a godling like Thor.
Darkseid is an official Sky-Father. Wasn't he moving galaxies with his mind (or something crazy like that).
Beings like Odin or Surtur having galaxy busting powers doesn't mean they destroy our galaxy at some point.
And Thor vs Spawn? As I've said, almost any thing Spawn has done, Thor could replicate.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thor is a Super Hero. Superheroes highest power lvls tend to be high tier herald lvl. Spawn is above that. Spawn is not a super hero.SOme of the higher heroes like Takion, and Genis Vell, tend to not be heroes in the true sense either.
Originally posted by Accel
Zauriel's a fallen angel and I doubt he's Sky-Father. Lobo has gotten thte better of Heaven and Hell and I'd say the same baout him as well.Darkseid is an official Sky-Father. Wasn't he moving galaxies with his mind (or something crazy like that).
Beings like Odin or Surtur having galaxy busting powers doesn't mean they destroy our galaxy at some point.
And Thor vs Spawn? As I've said, almost any thing Spawn has done, Thor could replicate.
Look what you just wrote, FALLEN angel. Zuriel was no where near the power of Asmodel. Who was above sky father lvl. Normal SUperman would have never been able to fight Asmodel. Darkseid officially is said to be above every skyfather. Yet people on this board seem to think it's ok to call him an "upper skyfather". When highfather himself has said that the new gods are above every pantheon. And Odin is over rated. Dr. Strange can beat him. Bah.
Originally posted by AccelZauriel as you see him isn't in his true angelic form.
Zauriel's a fallen angel and I doubt he's Sky-Father. Lobo has gotten thte better of Heaven and Hell and I'd say the same baout him as well.Darkseid is an official Sky-Father. Wasn't he moving galaxies with his mind (or something crazy like that).
Beings like Odin or Surtur having galaxy busting powers doesn't mean they destroy our galaxy at some point.
And Thor vs Spawn? As I've said, almost any thing Spawn has done, Thor could replicate.
Lobo has also defeated skyfathers. In fact, if you look in his respect thread, he defeated a pantheon by ripping them limb from limb.
Originally posted by AccelTake away the Hellspawn and Al becomes just an ordinary human himself. Or a corpse. Whatever.
In his 2nd age form, if you took away the hellspawn, there would be no spawn, he was pure Hellspawn in this form.
But anyways, to address your post, I just think you are skewing the point a little in contrast of Spawn to other people. Especially if you were to say anything spawn could do thor could replicate which just plain incorrect. Perhaps Rune King thor, but thor? Absolutely not. anyways, point being the sheer vastness and strength of the things spawn is capable of doing puts most hearolds to shame. And to put 2nd age spawn in the same leauge as Some of the people you listed is just, opinion or not, a grave mismatch. The simple fact that spawn was the ruler of the 8th hell is more than enough merit to induct him in the "Skyfather" level. Understanding what the hells in his universe are like would put it a bit more in perspective with his power level. It wouldent make sense to declassify Shuma-gorrath if he stepped outside of his dimension (hypotheticly). The same would apply to 2nd age spawn.
But this debate is makeing me question what exactly detemines a "skyfather"
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Look what you just wrote, FALLEN angel. Zuriel was no where near the power of Asmodel. Who was above sky father lvl. Normal SUperman would have never been able to fight Asmodel. Darkseid officially is said to be above every skyfather. Yet people on this board seem to think it's ok to call him an "upper skyfather". When highfather himself has said that the new gods are above every pantheon. And Odin is over rated. Dr. Strange can beat him. Bah.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
But this debate is makeing me question what exactly detemines a "skyfather"
Anyone that is brought up that people dont' think deserve any more power than Odin. People on here act like you jump from skyfather to abstract lvl. When in fact the term in between power lvls is entity. Entities are used in comics all the time. But people on this board seem to forget about the entities. Spawn is an entity. Much more than sky father but not quite abstract lvl.
Originally posted by Juntai
Lobo has also defeated skyfathers. In fact, if you look in his respect thread, he defeated a pantheon by ripping them limb from limb.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Anyone that is brought up that people dont' think deserve any more power. People on here act like you jump from skyfather to abstract lvl. When in fact the term in between power lvls is entity. Entities are used in comics all the time. But people on this board seem to forget about the entities. Spawn is an entity. Much more than sky father but not quite abstract lvl.
Yeah, thats what i think about spawn too. Not quite abstract by any means, but He would beat ALOT of skyfathers.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
In his 2nd age form, if you took away the hellspawn, there would be no spawn, he was pure Hellspawn in this form.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
But anyways, to address your post, I just think you are skewing the point a little in contrast of Spawn to other people. Especially if you were to say anything spawn could do thor could replicate which just plain incorrect. Perhaps Rune King thor, but thor? Absolutely not.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
anyways, point being the sheer vastness and strength of the things spawn is capable of doing puts most hearolds to shame.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
And to put 2nd age spawn in the same leauge as Some of the people you listed is just, opinion or not, a grave mismatch.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
The simple fact that spawn was the ruler of the 8th hell is more than enough merit to induct him in the "Skyfather" level.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Understanding what the hells in his universe are like would put it a bit more in perspective with his power level.
Originally posted by Accel
I'm referring to the costume, "Hellspawn," that he wore.I don't see why not. He HAS shown that Mjolnir possesses a crap-load of powers.
Not really.
Again, not really.
Thor's a god. He isn't Sky-Father.
It means he has access to unlimited power. I get that, but as I said, so do people like Quasar.
U can't possibly be comparing Quasar to Spawn. Spawn beats the tar out of Quasar and still has time rule hell. The power sources themselves also have meaning behind them.HEll>>> Quantum Field.
Superman can keep amping his strength with the Suns energy, does that mean becuz he has unlimited power supply that he trumps Thor who does not have unlimited power?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
U can't possibly be comparing Quasar to Spawn. Spawn beats the tar out of Quasar and still has time rule hell. The power sources themselves also have meaning behind them.HEll>>> Quantum Field.Superman can keep amping his strength with the Suns energy, does that mean becuz he has unlimited power supply that he trumps Thor who does not have unlimited power?
I'm just trying to figure out how Spawn could have be Sky-Father level, when just about every thing he's done has been replicated by a top-tier.
He's powerful and and has a lot of powers. That doesn't always equate to Sky-Father.