Originally posted by juggernaut66666
like thanos hasn't been beaten by squirrel girl,thor,stabbed by wolverine,betan by gl kyle etc.etc.etc
Originally posted by darthgoober
So he found a way AROUND Ares power, by freezing him in time/space. That doesn't make him more powerful. Now if Ares had blasted Darkseid with the God Wave, and it didn't affect Darkseid because of his supperior power, THAT would show that he was more powerful. If someone was pointing the Ultimate Nullifier at Iceman, and Iceman froze them before they could pull the trigger, would that make Iceman more powerful?
Your trying to spit hairs. Ares Was Advancing, meaning he was in motion using the godwave. It is show as takion was pushing against Ares only slowing him down. DS stopped all of that motion. YOu should try again.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
ok how about him beating highfather or creating a being equal to takion or beating the pre-crisis jla??
since it's just speculation to assume highfather is the equivalent of Odin I'm not sure about that feat. Most consider Odin superior to DC skyfathers. I'm really not sure.
The pre-crisis JLA feat happened too long ago - I don't think it's representative of Darkseid now. Plus pre-crisis JLA was very inconsistent and was chock-full of PIS.
Darkseid = Thanos - as it should be. People who say otherwise just look at scans in a biased way
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
so you think superman or doomsday beatin ds isn't PIS?
However, sundipped Supes taking DS seems a little more plausible IMO, and I wouldn't call PIS on that specific event.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your trying to spit hairs. Ares Was Advancing, meaning he was in motion using the godwave. It is show as takion was pushing against Ares only slowing him down. DS stopped all of that motion. YOu should try again.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I'll admit that Supes DS is PIS(just like if Thor was suddenly able to beat Thanos). Doomsday is kinda tough to call though. Darkseid DID kill him, he just came back and attacked from behind. But I still would consider it PIS personally(I remember being PISSED when I first read that), however I know that a lot of people around here have latched on to DD being the ultimate villain, or some such nonsense, so it's not really possible to call PIS on the event.However, sundipped Supes taking DS seems a little more plausible IMO, and I wouldn't call PIS on that specific event.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
BTW darkseid could have turned him into a a rock with his matter and reality manipulation or just devolve him into a microbe like he devolved pre-crisis validus into a baby
nevermind let's get back to topic
And we can get back to topic, but there's still no PROOF that Darkseid is more powerful than Thanos.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Did Darkseid meat a Godwave blast with a blast of his own and overpower it? Did he take the blast on the chin and survive it? If not, then THAT'S NOT PROOF THAT HE'S MORE POWERFUL.
If Iceman can Freeze the juggernaut in his place and hold him so that the juggernauts motion is stopped, then yes, Then Iceman is indeed more powerful than someone who can only slow down juggernaut. Iceman is not more powerful than the juggernaut persay, but he's more powerful than the one who only slowed juggs down. Which is the point I was making and the point you refuse to see. No where in my ENTIRE argument does it say DS was more powerful than Ares. So Where you are getting that is BEYOND me. More than likely, Hank Henshaw, Gog, Or Despero give Thanos the match that is needed for THIS thread.
Regarding Doomsday and the sunamped Supes losses, both of them involved Darkseid fighting like a dumbass. He just assumed DD was down for good, without making sure. That was highly out of character and stupid. With the S/B one, he retardedly fell for Superman's plan and just decided to slug it out near the sun, using none of his real powers.
Darkseid's win over Highfather was part of the Conway run, which has since been de facto retconned out of continuity. Interestingly, though, Yuga Khan considered Darkseid more powerful than Izaya. I'd say Darkseid does have some feats above Skyfather level, but he also has some showings where he's not much, if at all above Herald level, in recent Superman comics.
On average, Darkseid is a decent Skyfather IMO.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Takion fought Ares with the godwave, the same Ares who could "create universes and black holes" <--that part was said by draco, is it true?
Well, he was mostly likely capable of destroying the universe going by text, yes. What's impressive is that Takion was the only one among thhe gathered heroes who managed to even put up a fight:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1121/genesis4pg07hn6.jpg
http://img494.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroes6aa.jpg
http://img494.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroes11ci.jpg
I think Darkseid is clearly more "powerful" than Thanos in that Thanos doesn't have those uber feats like the Ares one, and he doesn't routinely vaporize top tiers in one shot like Darkseid does. However, Thanos is stronger and more durable IMO. Darkseid would win an energy-slinging contest, while Thanos would win a slugfest.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If Iceman can Freeze the juggernaut in his place and hold him so that the juggernauts motion is stopped, then yes, Then Iceman is indeed more powerful than someone who can only slow down juggernaut. Iceman is not more powerful than the juggernaut persay, but he's more powerful than the one who only slowed juggs down. Which is the point I was making and the point you refuse to see. No where in my ENTIRE argument does it say DS was more powerful than Ares. So Where you are getting that is BEYOND me. More than likely, Hank Henshaw, Gog, Or Despero give Thanos the match that is needed for THIS thread.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
BTW darkseid could have turned him into a a rock with his matter and reality manipulation or just devolve him into a microbe like he devolved pre-crisis validus into a baby
nevermind let's get back to topic
yes lets asume. And Thanos could have turned Thor into his herald Just liek fallen one. Or turned himinto a rock like he did a skrull. ect.
asuming is fun.
I posted the scans of the Takion thing above. I think it was obviously meant to show Darkseid > Takion. In fact, in the same story, Takion admits Darkseid and Highfather are more powerful than himself:
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=highfather52xl.png
Highfather basically stated the same thing of Takion's power compared to Darkseid in his first appearance, in fact:
http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takion1210xr7nt.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh. I thought you were trying to say that he was more powerful than Ares w/Godwave. My bad. But let me ask you, did Takion try to freeze him in time/space? Cause unless he did, and couldn't, that still doesn't show that he beats Takion either.
Takion was the only one to slow Ares. And Ares was still advancing going to destroy them. I would think that Takion was trying everything with in his power. Which was still impressive to say the least. Back to the thread at hand, we are trying to hash out the equivs of each universe. So what do you think?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Takion was the only one to slow Ares. And Ares was still advancing going to destroy them. I would think that Takion was trying everything with in his power. Which was still impressive to say the least.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah because people in comics ALWAYS do everything in their power to when. That's why Supes ALWAYS uses T-Vo, and the Flash ALWAYS moves as fast he can, right?
They sure as hell do when Multiple lives are on the line. And when they are facing uber threats as such. bringing up flash and Tvo dont' help ur argument. DS did what takion couldn't period.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
I think Darkseid is clearly more "powerful" than Thanos in that Thanos doesn't have those uber feats like the Ares one, and he doesn't routinely vaporize top tiers in one shot like Darkseid does. However, Thanos is stronger and more durable IMO. Darkseid would win an energy-slinging contest, while Thanos would win a slugfest.
I see were your coming from, cause DS does have impressive feats(mostly PC).
Alot of DS powers are mostly consentrated in his omega beams.
I know he is more than just OB, but he sure doesnt show it much.
Thanos has destroyed Galactus destroyers with one shot with his eye beams. Gone toe to toe with Odin using his blasts from his arms. Blew Galactus across a planet with his arms blasts as well.
Thanos is no slouch with his energy blasts.
Slugfests: He has sluged it out with the best of them and slaped around most with ease.
I do think they should be considered about equal though. They both have their low showings. I just dont agree with those saying DS is leagues above Thanos. Or the avatar cop out BS.
