The Marvel's Anti Anti-Monitor team vs Anti-Monitor battle II

Anti-monitor destroyed countless universes, but he wasn't the combined strength of all those universes. IIRC he had the power of a couple universes at most.

Originally posted by galan7777777
why are we bringing up Mxy? ohh yeah thats right your a fanboy..... and cant accept that a marvel character can clearly beat a DC character

He still beat Mxy 🙂

ok well heres some DC beings that would beat AM: Spectre (full power), Lucifer Morningstar, and Michael Demiurgos...... does that work better for you?

Actually if you look at the opinion of most of the people on these boards, ALL marvel characters beat thier closest DC counter parts. Every thing else you said means nothing to me. DC doesn't represent it's cosmos the same way as marvel. So you have to look at everything thru a different filter and then determine who's more powerful. To simply as this character was shown erasing death, and this one didn't is silly. Especially since DCu doesn't operate in those terms. That's like saying, Doomsday beat the crap out of Superman and the Odin was never shown beating Superman, so he can't do it. That is exacly what your doing by bringing up the death thing in comparison to parallax. I'm done with it. call me all the fan boy you want.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually if you look at the opinion of most of the people on these boards, ALL marvel characters beat thier closest DC counter parts. Every thing else you said means nothing to me. DC doesn't represent it's cosmos the same way as marvel. So you have to look at everything thru a different filter and then determine who's more powerful. To simply as this character was shown erasing death, and this one didn't is silly. Especially since DCu doesn't operate in those terms. That's like saying, Doomsday beat the crap out of Superman and the Odin was never shown beating Superman, so he can't do it. That is exacly what your doing by bringing up the death thing in comparison to parallax. I'm done with it. call me all the fan boy you want.

Being able to destroy a universe is NOT the same as being able to destroy Eternity. Eternity is a representation of the universe itself. So when you battle him, you battle all the power in the universe combined. Destroying a universe, is more like destroying him when he's asleep, and not fighting back.

I'll touch on all of this more later, I've got to go to work.

Originally posted by galan7777777
why just cant you admit that i proved everything you said wrong? id respect you much more if you could just do that....

You didnt' prove me wrong. Not in my ideological sense. You corrected me on some on panel things, but you haven't proven me wrong. This board tries to put every DC feat and character into the marvel hierachy and it leaves the DC characters on the short end of the stick. If you dont' believe me, just take a look at the major battles. i'm not wrong, You can compare The beyonder erasing death to any character in DC becuz no character in DC has erased Death. But you can logically see that if a character can destroy the universe and everything in it, othe multiverse, then they are also destroying death in the dcu as well. I'm over it like I said. I know how this forum works and what rules they abide by. Every thing is on a marvel slider. Period. They even rate the strength lvls on a marvel slider. Class this, and class that. DC doesn't even have that class rating. hell aquaman is class 100 if that is the case. w/e. I won't be arguing infinite beings any more becuz people will just try to use the marvel system instead of using a bit of logic.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Being able to destroy a universe is NOT the same as being able to destroy Eternity. Eternity is a representation of the universe itself. So when you battle him, you battle all the power in the universe combined. Destroying a universe, is more like destroying him when he's asleep, and not fighting back.

I'll touch on all of this more later, I've got to go to work.

But if the DCU has no Eternity per say, then you have to be reasonable and make the connection. Or every single damn thing done in marvel that has to do with top tiers and up trumps every thing that DC top tiers and up do. Don't have to touch on it. I know exactly what it will go into. Trying to peg the DCU into the Marvel U scheme when they dont' have the representations that Marvel does, makes these arguments infuriating.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You didnt' prove me wrong. Not in my ideological sense. You corrected me on some on panel things, but you haven't proven me wrong.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This board tries to put every DC feat and character into the marvel hierachy and it leaves the DC characters on the short end of the stick. If you dont' believe me, just take a look at the major battles. i'm not wrong,

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can compare The beyonder erasing death to any character in DC becuz no character in DC has erased Death.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But you can logically see that if a character can destroy the universe and everything in it, othe multiverse, then they are also destroying death in the dcu as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm over it like I said. I know how this forum works and what rules they abide by. Every thing is on a marvel slider. Period.They even rate the strength lvls on a marvel slider. Class this, and class that. DC doesn't even have that class rating.hell aquaman is class 100 if that is the case.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I won't be arguing infinite beings any more

Originally posted by galan7777777
any "points" you tried to make i proved wrong, just admit that much at least

but you persistantly put DC characters in the Marvel hierachy, so whats the difference?
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I only use what is available to me here. People act like they only respond to marvel hierarchy.
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you were just arguing otherwise, im glad to see that your comind around
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The Reason no one in DC has killed death is becuz the only death abstract being is part of the endless. And maybe the DCU cosmics have enough sense not to mess with stuff like that. The point being, how can a dcu being kill death when it's not the same representation as it is in marvel. **** it. your right. And Thor is stronger than Superman cuz he has the odin force, Which doesn't exist in DC either.
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nope veen when Thanos has THOTU he didnt absorb death, even though he absorbed the entire multiverse 😉
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Thanos absorbed the universe and all the HE KNEW. He wasn't simply destroying everything that was. There is a difference.
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crazysign

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

When comparing Universes, You can only compare things that are concrete in both Universe. For instance, You can compare Moondragon to Saturn girl becuz Telepathy is represented the same way. You can compare strength from Superman to Thor becuz Superstrength is represented in the same way. When you start trying to compare abstracts and who did what to them, it makes things more difficult becuz they are not represented in the same way. You can't compare apples to apples in some battles and then compare apples to oranges in other battle and still use the same ground rules that you used when comparing apples to apples. You have to do some logical thinking. It's ludicris to say that The beyonder killed death and that automatically gives him some universal feat that no one else can do, when one, the story called for him to do it to drive the story and may not have been needed in other stories, and for two, when death isn't even represented the same way in the DCU. Rediculous to compare things in a simple fashion when they aren't simple. We can compare speed to speed becuz it's represented the same way. Should we say that Takion beats every single marvel being under abstract simply becuz he is the sources representitive and the MU doesn't have a source? this is what this BS sounds like to me.

Originally posted by galan7777777
you have been proven wrong throughout this entire thread, just admit it so we can move on 😉

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
what ever you say. but you cannot deny that you can't compare the two fairly. plain and simple. not with the simple apples to apples garbage some people try to use on these boards.

Originally posted by galan7777777
Just admit i have proved what you stated wrong.... i have beaten this horse to death 2dedhorse

you haven't proved anything. Just becuz The presence hasn't been shown on panel destroying Death doesn't mean he can't do it. Hence many of the feats you used as back up to your claim mean nothing to me. Especially when trying to say that someone from another universe hasn't done it and there is no equiv for them to do it to. You'll figure out what i'm saying a hundred years from now. I won't relent and neither will u. Good day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you haven't proved anything. Just becuz The presence hasn't been shown on panel destroying Death doesn't mean he can't do it. Hence many of the feats you used as back up to your claim mean nothing to me.

Originally posted by galan7777777
blah, blah, blah........ now your just looking for a way out, anyone who reads this will see that not only have you proven nothing, but what you did provide was proven wrong time and time again v

If you say so. But it still remains the same, parallax wiped out all of reality. All of them. To insist that he must some how on panel be shown killing death as well to make him on the lvl of the beyonder is rediculous. Or that he must be shown wiping out the multiverse in an instant to show that he was on the lvl of the Un is even more rediculous as Time had no meaning to him. That the story teller decided to make it more dramatic doesn't change the fact that he wiped it out and remade it. You are free to feel as if you really did something. ANd the people who are advanced enough to see my true argument are free to feel that way as well. You can compare strength, speed, durabilty, even time. These things are constant thru out comics. You can even compare lvl of power. But you can't compare feats against beings for which there is no equiv. They beyonder killing death cannot be compared and used against any DCU character becuz death isn't represented in the same light as marvel death. Period. Maybe you will get it sometime in the future.

I'll try to explain it one more time in normal terms. Two little boys both have a bat. One little boy lives in a room full of glass. The other boy lives in a room full of plastic. You tell them both to swing as hard as they can for 30 seconds. The little boy who had the glass in his room is going to have done more dmg to the glass on the surface. But the little boy who had the platic isn't any weaker, his bat wasn't smaller, he just dind't have any glass to hit, he only had plastic. So to compare and say one little boy is stronger becuz he broke all the glass in his room when the other little boy didn't even have glass in the first place is unfair and not a good analysis of the situation. This is what is happneing here every time something is compared from marvel to which there is no equiv in dc. that's just my two cents. Good day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you say so. But it still remains the same, parallax wiped out all of reality. All of them. To insist that he must some how on panel be shown killing death as well to make him on the lvl of the beyonder is rediculous. Or that he must be shown wiping out the multiverse in an instant to show that he was on the lvl of the Un is even more rediculous as Time had no meaning to him. That the story teller decided to make it more dramatic doesn't change the fact that he wiped it out and remade it. You are free to feel as if you really did something. ANd the people who are advanced enough to see my true argument are free to feel that way as well. You can compare strength, speed, durabilty, even time. These things are constant thru out comics. You can even compare lvl of power. But you can't compare feats against beings for which there is no equiv. They beyonder killing death cannot be compared and used against any DCU character becuz death isn't represented in the same light as marvel death. Period. Maybe you will get it sometime in the future.

I'll try to explain it one more time in normal terms. Two little boys both have a bat. One little boy lives in a room full of glass. The other boy lives in a room full of plastic. You tell them both to swing as hard as they can for 30 seconds. The little boy who had the glass in his room is going to have done more dmg to the glass on the surface. But the little boy who had the platic isn't any weaker, his bat wasn't smaller, he just dind't have any glass to hit, he only had plastic. So to compare and say one little boy is stronger becuz he broke all the glass in his room when the other little boy didn't even have glass in the first place is unfair and not a good analysis of the situation. This is what is happneing here every time something is compared from marvel to which there is no equiv in dc. that's just my two cents. Good day.

nvrbeenwthagirl, quote the first sentace in the second issue of infinity crusade.
Than continiue.

Originally posted by galan7777777
yet again more gibberish and oppinion, when will you learn that personal oppinion means nothing if you cant back it up? nothing in your response is worth mentioning because its all your own oppinion, not fact 😉

OK what ever you say. But when you show me death being represented in the DCU the same exact way it is in marvel, when you show me the abstracts and the hierarchy of Marvel shown in the exact same light in the DCU then I'll concede. Until then, it's not my opinion, it' a fact that they are not represented the same way. I could care less if you think what I said means nothing or is personal opinion. I know i'm right. How the heck can you compare they beyonder's killing death to anything when one, it was part of the drive of the story, any fiction student can tell you that, and two death doesn't exist in the same way in the DCu as she does in MU. Hwo the hell can parallax swing at glass if he's in the room full of plasic? That's all i'm saying. Some of the more advanced thinkers will take the time to see what i'm saying and think about it. those who dont', don't have to.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
nvrbeenwthagirl, quote the first sentace in the second issue of infinity crusade.
Than continiue.

What does the Infinity crusade have to do with DC and this discussion? I"m at work and can't just get to my books right now. What's your point?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OK what ever you say. But when you show me death being represented in the DCU the same exact way it is in marvel, when you show me the abstracts and the hierarchy of Marvel shown in the exact same light in the DCU then I'll concede. Until then, it's not my opinion, it' a fact that they are not represented the same way. I could care less if you think what I said means nothing or is personal opinion. I know i'm right. How the heck can you compare they beyonder's killing death to anything when one, it was part of the drive of the story, any fiction student can tell you that, and two death doesn't exist in the same way in the DCu as she does in MU. Hwo the hell can parallax swing at glass if he's in the room full of plasic? That's all i'm saying. Some of the more advanced thinkers will take the time to see what i'm saying and think about it. those who dont', don't have to.