anyways, as far as beating team 3, i see no problem. gambit said he would never tangle with DP once, simply because he felt he couldn't go toe to toe with him. so gambit, even as much as i like him, i don't even see him as a real factor. he's like the side dish.
as far as rogue goes, not neccessarily a huge problem. DS will take care of her. we're talkin about a guy who uses 90% of his brain. not sure how'd he do it but he'd find a way. besides if rogue tried to grab either of them, which wouldn't be eays, and attempted to drain them they could just cut of a limb and regrow it.
DS took out (for the life of me i can't remember his name) a superhuman speed freak (one of the flash characters-but don't quote me on that because i'm not entirely sure) using tact. he estimated his velocity and where he would go next. thus impaling him.
and DP is really an underated character. the whole thing over who would win between either wolvie or DP is truely a matter of opinion. i don't care who wrote what in what book about there fights, i look at them as evenly matched. the problem and exception between this fued is a matter of fan base versus logic.
ok, wolvie has adamantium, nothing DP can do about that. DP is immortal, nothing wolvie can do about that. in my opinion DP is a better fighter than wolvie. wolive is a superb fighter but when it comes down to it his fighting feroicty comes from his primal rage. hard to combat an animal that knows kung-fu. but is still see DP as a better fighter when it comes right down to it.
as much as DP loves to fight, his head never truely seems to be in it. of coures that's what makes him so great but ya know, for sayings sake.
as far as issues of fights they've had. welp, in issue 88, DP more or less handed wolvie his ass. now you can argue that logan's healing factor was turned to chit but you gotta appreciate how DP did it. he did indeed high tail it at the end but that was more towards the reason that kane and copycat were there as well. not just logan.
the issue where wolvie gutted DP in return. well he beat him, fair and square. no way around that. the fight, btw, was a great one.
i've seen other issues where the two tangled but i've never really seen one out do the other. i've only really seen stalemates. ie. i remember one issue where both of them were on the same page, well toward the end. logan bought wade a beer. in the begining however there was this great part where logan was more or less tearing into wade, and everytime he slashed at him, wade would say "ow." 😄 at one point wade threw his sword at logan impaling him to a wall, essentially giving him the "i'll deal with you later, so stick around routine"
ethier way, i think both are on par with one another. each has an advantage over the other. where wade isn't indestructable he's immortal and has a superiour healing factor. where logan doesn't have immortallity or quite a strong healing factor he has a blind feroicity and an indestrucable skeleton with claws to boot.
now that i've said my peace on that. i'd say they could get to 8, not without difficulty.
here's my run down:
daredevil and elektra, just not diverse or powerful enough to take out the likes of DS and DP. DP is just as good as daredevil and DS would, i think beat both DD and elektra
this next one is more or less the same. batman would give em both a run for there money but in the end could lose to either mono e mono (especially to DS). nightwing is cool, but he's no match for either.
3 i already said what i think would happen...
spiderman and blackcat, hmm. well no one can discredit the webslinger but DS is too much of a match for spidey and DP is on the same level i think. they fought once before. a stalemate. blackcat, meh, i see DP hitting on her then planting a bomb on her. ;p
wolvie and sabes? well this is an amazing, knock down, drag out, kick ass fight, seeing DS as last man standing.
it's fan 4 not 2. now not to take anything away from either ben or johnny but when i comes to strategy it all befalls upon reed. no reed, no win. DS is just too smart and would exploit weaknesses in both the thing and the human torch. spiderman alone has given the fan 4 a tough time, what do you think these two would do with just the thing and johnny to face?
cap and iron. this is a real tough one but i still see both DS and DP winning this one at least 1/2 the time. iron man is mucho powerful but a real pansy. caps is a great stratigest but horribly straight laced. DP gave cap a run for his money and only failed to take him out due to the fact that he wasn't just fighting cap, but the entire team of the avengers. iron man, well as tough as he is, he relies on a suit, a suit that can be destroyed. not easily but it still can be. DS is really good at this kinda thing. he'd figure a way to beat him and make him cry while he was at it, and then DP would make fun of him for being a pansy.
cable is a daunting obstacle, even if he is "un-god like." most of these fights would rely on DS's amazing brain and DP's unpredicablity, this one is no exception. DP runs interfernce while DS takes em out. domino is also a major factor. she's in no way shape or form a push over. and with her their telepathic link this one would really teat DS's strategy making and execution. a real hard fight.
the last fight though, geez i think not. that's just a bit too much. how do you fight a monsterous duo with tendrils, superhuman strength, superb healing abilities, and agility? even if venom has his weakness to fire and sonics, this is madness venom. a totally different creature altogether. a monster that slaps the juggernaught around like a like a two dollar hooker. and what exactly is maximum carnage? does cassidy actually become stronger? i'm familiar with the incredible power of madness venom but is there actually a maximum carnage? if this i just regular vanilla carnage, well that's still pretty formidable. we all know carnages ablities and he's an psychopath with a savage lust to kill. DS and DP have found there match and more as far as bloodlust is concerned with carnage. as good as DS and DP are, i foresee DS's plan going to shit, and DP abondoning him. exit stage left.
Originally posted by geshien
anyways, as far as beating team 3, i see no problem. gambit said he would never tangle with DP once, simply because he felt he couldn't go toe to toe with him. so gambit, even as much as i like him, i don't even see him as a real factor. he's like the side dish.as far as rogue goes, not neccessarily a huge problem. DS will take care of her. we're talkin about a guy who uses 90% of his brain. not sure how'd he do it but he'd find a way. besides if rogue tried to grab either of them, which wouldn't be eays, and attempted to drain them they could just cut of a limb and regrow it.
DS took out (for the life of me i can't remember his name) a superhuman speed freak (one of the flash characters-but don't quote me on that because i'm not entirely sure) using tact. he estimated his velocity and where he would go next. thus impaling him.
and DP is really an underated character. the whole thing over who would win between either wolvie or DP is truely a matter of opinion. i don't care who wrote what in what book about there fights, i look at them as evenly matched. the problem and exception between this fued is a matter of fan base versus logic.
ok, wolvie has adamantium, nothing DP can do about that. DP is immortal, nothing wolvie can do about that. in my opinion DP is a better fighter than wolvie. wolive is a superb fighter but when it comes down to it his fighting feroicty comes from his primal rage. hard to combat an animal that knows kung-fu. but is still see DP as a better fighter when it comes right down to it.
as much as DP loves to fight, his head never truely seems to be in it. of coures that's what makes him so great but ya know, for sayings sake.
as far as issues of fights they've had. welp, in issue 88, DP more or less handed wolvie his ass. now you can argue that logan's healing factor was turned to chit but you gotta appreciate how DP did it. he did indeed high tail it at the end but that was more towards the reason that kane and copycat were there as well. not just logan.
the issue where wolvie gutted DP in return. well he beat him, fair and square. no way around that. the fight, btw, was a great one.
i've seen other issues where the two tangled but i've never really seen one out do the other. i've only really seen stalemates. ie. i remember one issue where both of them were on the same page, well toward the end. logan bought wade a beer. in the begining however there was this great part where logan was more or less tearing into wade, and everytime he slashed at him, wade would say "ow." 😄 at one point wade threw his sword at logan impaling him to a wall, essentially giving him the "i'll deal with you later, so stick around routine"
ethier way, i think both are on par with one another. each has an advantage over the other. where wade isn't indestructable he's immortal and has a superiour healing factor. where logan doesn't have immortallity or quite a strong healing factor he has a blind feroicity and an indestrucable skeleton with claws to boot.
now that i've said my peace on that. i'd say they could get to 8, not without difficulty.
here's my run down:
daredevil and elektra, just not diverse or powerful enough to take out the likes of DS and DP. DP is just as good as daredevil and DS would, i think beat both DD and elektra
this next one is more or less the same. batman would give em both a run for there money but in the end could lose to either mono e mono (especially to DS). nightwing is cool, but he's no match for either.
3 i already said what i think would happen...
spiderman and blackcat, hmm. well no one can discredit the webslinger but DS is too much of a match for spidey and DP is on the same level i think. they fought once before. a stalemate. blackcat, meh, i see DP hitting on her then planting a bomb on her. ;p
wolvie and sabes? well this is an amazing, knock down, drag out, kick ass fight, seeing DS as last man standing.
it's fan 4 not 2. now not to take anything away from either ben or johnny but when i comes to strategy it all befalls upon reed. no reed, no win. DS is just too smart and would exploit weaknesses in both the thing and the human torch. spiderman alone has given the fan 4 a tough time, what do you think these two would do with just the thing and johnny to face?
cap and iron. this is a real tough one but i still see both DS and DP winning this one at least 1/2 the time. iron man is mucho powerful but a real pansy. caps is a great stratigest but horribly straight laced. DP gave cap a run for his money and only failed to take him out due to the fact that he wasn't just fighting cap, but the entire team of the avengers. iron man, well as tough as he is, he relies on a suit, a suit that can be destroyed. not easily but it still can be. DS is really good at this kinda thing. he'd figure a way to beat him and make him cry while he was at it, and then DP would make fun of him for being a pansy.
cable is a daunting obstacle, even if he is "un-god like." most of these fights would rely on DS's amazing brain and DP's unpredicablity, this one is no exception. DP runs interfernce while DS takes em out. domino is also a major factor. she's in no way shape or form a push over. and with her their telepathic link this one would really teat DS's strategy making and execution. a real hard fight.
the last fight though, geez i think not. that's just a bit too much. how do you fight a monsterous duo with tendrils, superhuman strength, superb healing abilities, and agility? even if venom has his weakness to fire and sonics, this is madness venom. a totally different creature altogether. a monster that slaps the juggernaught around like a like a two dollar hooker. and what exactly is maximum carnage? does cassidy actually become stronger? i'm familiar with the incredible power of madness venom but is there actually a maximum carnage? if this i just regular vanilla carnage, well that's still pretty formidable. we all know carnages ablities and he's an psychopath with a savage lust to kill. DS and DP have found there match and more as far as bloodlust is concerned with carnage. as good as DS and DP are, i foresee DS's plan going to shit, and DP abondoning him. exit stage left.
I love it when I bother to read long posts and end up agreeing with almost every point.
I might give a more detailed response later
Originally posted by geshien
anyways, as far as beating team 3, i see no problem. gambit said he would never tangle with DP once, simply because he felt he couldn't go toe to toe with him. so gambit, even as much as i like him, i don't even see him as a real factor. he's like the side dish.
Originally posted by geshien
as far as rogue goes, not neccessarily a huge problem. DS will take care of her. we're talkin about a guy who uses 90% of his brain. not sure how'd he do it but he'd find a way. besides if rogue tried to grab either of them, which wouldn't be eays, and attempted to drain them they could just cut of a limb and regrow it.
Finally someone who sees things my way. Though, I think a fair way for her to lose is to grab DP- He'd regenerate, but she'd become insane.
Originally posted by geshienand DP is really an underated character. the whole thing over who would win between either wolvie or DP is truely a matter of opinion. i don't care who wrote what in what book about there fights, i look at them as evenly matched. the problem and exception between this fued is a matter of fan base versus logic.
ok, wolvie has adamantium, nothing DP can do about that. DP is immortal, nothing wolvie can do about that. in my opinion DP is a better fighter than wolvie. wolive is a superb fighter but when it comes down to it his fighting feroicty comes from his primal rage. hard to combat an animal that knows kung-fu. but is still see DP as a better fighter when it comes right down to it.
Again, agreed. And DP has a majorly big arsenal at his disposal
Originally posted by geshienas much as DP loves to fight, his head never truely seems to be in it. of coures that's what makes him so great but ya know, for sayings sake.
But, on KMC, where everyone fights to the best of their ability, that isnt a problem 😉
Originally posted by geshien
here's my run down:daredevil and elektra, just not diverse or powerful enough to take out the likes of DS and DP. DP is just as good as daredevil and DS would, i think beat both DD and elektra
Again, agreed. They're both potentially capable of soloing it, IMO
Originally posted by geshien
this next one is more or less the same. batman would give em both a run for there money but in the end could lose to either mono e mono (especially to DS). nightwing is cool, but he's no match for either.
Heres one place where you have to be careful: on average, Nightwing is a low threat. But, he's an expert with dealing with DS. He knows Slade inside out. However, the Wilsons' still take this of course, but it wont be that easy
Originally posted by geshien
spiderman and blackcat, hmm. well no one can discredit the webslinger but DS is too much of a match for spidey and DP is on the same level i think. they fought once before. a stalemate. blackcat, meh, i see DP hitting on her then planting a bomb on her. ;p
Another tricky call. DS is not a match for Spidey, but, playing their best, he could stall long enough for DP, playing at his best, to take out BC,
Originally posted by geshien
it's fan 4 not 2. now not to take anything away from either ben or johnny but when i comes to strategy it all befalls upon reed. no reed, no win. DS is just too smart and would exploit weaknesses in both the thing and the human torch. spiderman alone has given the fan 4 a tough time, what do you think these two would do with just the thing and johnny to face?
Again, agreed. Good post.
Originally posted by geshien
cap and iron. this is a real tough one but i still see both DS and DP winning this one at least 1/2 the time. iron man is mucho powerful but a real pansy. caps is a great stratigest but horribly straight laced. DP gave cap a run for his money and only failed to take him out due to the fact that he wasn't just fighting cap, but the entire team of the avengers. iron man, well as tough as he is, he relies on a suit, a suit that can be destroyed. not easily but it still can be. DS is really good at this kinda thing. he'd figure a way to beat him and make him cry while he was at it, and then DP would make fun of him for being a pansy.
And here is where I think they stop. However, winning is not out of the question. The best bet is if they quickly double team Cap and take him out, before taking on Tony
Originally posted by geshien
cable is a daunting obstacle, even if he is "un-god like." most of these fights would rely on DS's amazing brain and DP's unpredicablity, this one is no exception. DP runs interfernce while DS takes em out. domino is also a major factor. she's in no way shape or form a push over. and with her their telepathic link this one would really teat DS's strategy making and execution. a real hard fight.
Finally some respect for Domino. In retrospect, however, its possible I should have put them beneath the last two. Either of them would get about a 5/10 with Domino, maybe giving DS a 6/10. Actually, if DS takes on Domino and DP takes on Cable, they can win. DP knows Cable and has given him a serious run for his money in the past.
Originally posted by geshien
the last fight though, geez i think not. that's just a bit too much. how do you fight a monsterous duo with tendrils, superhuman strength, superb healing abilities, and agility? even if venom has his weakness to fire and sonics, this is madness venom. a totally different creature altogether. a monster that slaps the juggernaught around like a like a two dollar hooker. and what exactly is maximum carnage? does cassidy actually become stronger? i'm familiar with the incredible power of madness venom but is there actually a maximum carnage? if this i just regular vanilla carnage, well that's still pretty formidable. we all know carnages ablities and he's an psychopath with a savage lust to kill. DS and DP have found there match and more as far as bloodlust is concerned with carnage. as good as DS and DP are, i foresee DS's plan going to shit, and DP abondoning him. exit stage left.
I actually didnt intend for them to clear this anyways.
i do actually agree more so on the whole cap and ironman bout. simply due to the fact that ironman has such sheer power. however, stark is still stark. he never had a terribly strong willpower or resolve, at least in my opinion. if someone else was running the suit, someone more suitable (no pun intended), then the fight most definitely ends there.
and now that i rethink the last scenario, i didn't really factor in just a barrage of grenades being tossed at them. it's a crap shoot but it could work, especially with DS. look what he did to flash. he could strategically place grenades everywhere, ultimately putting venom and carnage at a severe disadvantage, even if venoms durability has been given a serious boost.
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Deadpool
for the gambit bit, look in the trivia section.
Re: Deadpool and Deathstroke run the Gauntlet!
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Deadpool and Deathstroke take on a gauntlet of Deadly Duos!
-Full time to heal and rest after each match.
-Both get normal melee weapons and handguns
-Takes place on an abandoned New York street, starting two blocks -from each other
-How far do they get?1.Daredevil and Elektra
2.Batman (Nomex Suit, normal gadgets) and Nightwing
3.Gambit and Rogue (Ms. Marvel)
4.Spiderman (Classic) and Black Cat
5.Wolverine and Sabertooth
6.Thing and Human Torch (No Nova)
7.Captain America and Ironman
8.Domino and Cable (Non-God-like)
9.Madness Venom and Maximum Carnage
don't make it past 1