cardiac vs wolverine · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

lando005 Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
? So I am a fan boy for asking for prove?
The building did not fall on wolverine because wolverines the one that hit the staff and moved out of the way before it fell on him. Also not to mention that would never KO wolverine.
Wolverine hit the staff so it really was no accident.
You just do not like the issue because Logan won. Also I like to mention you said the staff had enough power to melt metal but not enough power to knock some bricks of a building?
LOL so no I am Blind and a FANBOY hahahahaha because I actual read the issue un like your self. You are the moron. The guy Logan fought was speed ball you retard not cannon ball. I look forward to your apology.
He never cut her actually. Also she went down because she was drunk that not PIS.
Are you honestly trying to tell me they fight in all those issues? I go read those issue when I go home since I own them all.
Really? When was this?
Yes prove it. Logan and many other street level heros can match spidermans feats.
You call me a retarded fan boy because I ask for prove? Logan has a long with others match ever one of spidermans feats. I own more spiderman comic then you own comics in all most likely.
Here I post some feats for you
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpyrate09181rt.jpg
(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeat4hi.jpg
(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc54&image=22730_fast.jpg
(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers well in side a small room.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed4fn.jpg
(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg
(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ne/3926c7ca.jpg
Wolverine cutting a rocket powered dart out of the air.
[url]http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolveirnecutingbullet3yp.jpg[/url
What does that prove? Wolverine has hit spiderman quite easily on a few occasions.
Your talk a lot of shit with out backing any of it up.

spiderman is far faster and agile than wolverine, logan is fast but nowhere near peter's leauge

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
spiderman is far faster and agile than wolverine, logan is fast but nowhere near peter's leauge

proof it all your saying is pure speculation and no evidence to support the claim.

lando005 Senior Member

the proof is in every match between the 2 spider-mans proven to be the superior also you can go to any profile and read up on their stats it shows there speeds are nowhere near eachothers, logan cant keep up with speedsters like speeddemon peter could

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
the proof is in every match between the 2 spider-mans proven to be the superior also you can go to any profile and read up on their stats it shows there speeds are nowhere near eachothers, logan cant keep up with speedsters like speeddemon peter could

actaully there normal listed about the same catagory or logan one level lower.

can you prove any thing you have said with feats? In there match ups spiderman ahs never proven to be the faster. You said spidermans far faster then logan in agility and reflex yet you can not prove it with feats?

Logan can't keep up with speedsters like speed demon lol? are you sure about that

hank_mccoy Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
? So I am a fan boy for asking for prove?
The building did not fall on wolverine because wolverines the one that hit the staff and moved out of the way before it fell on him. Also not to mention that would never KO wolverine.
Wolverine hit the staff so it really was no accident.
You just do not like the issue because Logan won. Also I like to mention you said the staff had enough power to melt metal but not enough power to knock some bricks of a building?
LOL so no I am Blind and a FANBOY hahahahaha because I actual read the issue un like your self. You are the moron. The guy Logan fought was speed ball you retard not cannon ball. I look forward to your apology.
He never cut her actually. Also she went down because she was drunk that not PIS.
Are you honestly trying to tell me they fight in all those issues? I go read those issue when I go home since I own them all.
Really? When was this?
Yes prove it. Logan and many other street level heros can match spidermans feats.
You call me a retarded fan boy because I ask for prove? Logan has a long with others match ever one of spidermans feats. I own more spiderman comic then you own comics in all most likely.
Here I post some feats for you
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpyrate09181rt.jpg
(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeat4hi.jpg
(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc54&image=22730_fast.jpg
(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers well in side a small room.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed4fn.jpg
(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg
(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ne/3926c7ca.jpg
Wolverine cutting a rocket powered dart out of the air.
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolveirnecutingbullet3yp.jpg[/url
What does that prove? Wolverine has hit spiderman quite easily on a few occasions.
Your talk a lot of shit with out backing any of it up.

no you are a fanboy for being so dumb 😆

first of all i will say it again just for you.... how the hell was the staff suppose to trash a building from just falling on him? its only your speculations that wolverine wouldn't get ko from the building which is dumb as you are

i never said the staff can melt a metal i said that cardiacs electric bolts can do that , he just use his staff to shoot the electric bolts thrue it , it can melt a metal when it actually shooting electric bolts but when it felt and trashed the building in was just a staff just piece of metal nothing more , get it moron?

my apology? get lost you retard fanboy.. i was reading that issue long time ago but what does it change? wolverine shouldn't take out speedball due to his energy shield so it was a total PIS

he did hurt her with his claws and cut her even as a drunk she should beat his ass down , another PIS

when was wolverine taken out by someone without super powers??? daredevil... captain america.... elektra......the punisher..... in wolverine and punisher 10 guys kicked his ass ...... gorgon act act act as a fanboy you should know that wolverine got his ass kicked many times by people that doesn't have any super powers and that cant shoot anything

all those feats that you show doesn't show a crap ... i don't have a scanner but spider-man got much more impressive feats and you are the dumbest person here if you even try to debate that wolverine is more or same fast and agile as spider-man

i back my words ... but you are the most retard fanboy i ever saw on the boards at least .... and by the way if wolverine is so fast then why did gorgon kicked his ass without wolverine being able to even react?

heres wolverines super agility and speed
[url]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02.jpg

a man with armor was faster then him 😆

lando005 Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully there normal listed about the same catagory or logan one level lower.
can you prove any thing you have said with feats? In there match ups spiderman ahs never proven to be the faster. You said spidermans far faster then logan in agility and reflex yet you can not prove it with feats?
Logan can't keep up with speedsters like speed demon lol? are you sure about that

scans shouldnt be needed your the only person i've ever heard of stating that they are the same in speed and agility i'll get some up to prove my case but you should really think long and hard about what you just said

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
scans shouldnt be needed your the only person i've ever heard of stating that they are the same in speed and agility i'll get some up to prove my case but you should really think long and hard about what you just said

actaully many people think msot street level character are close to if not on par with spiderman agility and reflex.

lando005 Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully many people think msot street level character are close to if not on par with spiderman agility and reflex.

not really most streetlevelers are still within human limits spiderman is not his equalibrium has been greatly alterted and his bones while denser than normal are atleast twice as mallable as a normal human being's it's not physicly possible for guys like dd and wolverine to do the things he does they may come close to mimicing him but they cant copy him

lando005 Senior Member

back to the fight at hand before this becomes a spidy wolverine thread

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
not really most streetlevelers are still within human limits spiderman is not his equalibrium has been greatly alterted and his bones while denser than normal are atleast twice as mallable as a normal human being's it's not physicly possible for guys like dd and wolverine to do the things he does they may come close to mimicing him but they cant copy him

not really actauly.

wolevrien muscles and bones are so dense there far beyond human limits.

lando005 Senior Member

Originally posted by capt it up
not really actauly.
wolevrien muscles and bones are so dense there far beyond human limits.

dense maybe but are they flexable......let's get back to the cardiac fight agreed?

Scoobless sselboocS

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully many people think msot street level character are close to if not on par with spiderman agility and reflex.

Those people are ill informed at best

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Scoobless
Those people are ill informed at best

thats your opinion not what actauly true

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
dense maybe but are they flexable......let's get back to the cardiac fight agreed?

naw im finishing my response to henry the man who only comments are insults and he can't back up any thing he says

Scoobless sselboocS

Originally posted by capt it up
thats your opinion not what actauly true

Actually it is true, it's been shown in comics for over 30 years, Wolverine, DareDevil, Batman, Captain America, Nightwing... none of them have speed, agility or reflexes on par with Spider-Man

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Scoobless
Actually it is true, it's been shown in comics for over 30 years, Wolverine, DareDevil, Batman, Captain America, Nightwing... none of them have speed, agility or reflexes on par with Spider-Man

I seen the feats and msot all of them can match spidermans feats. I for one think spiderman is a little faster, but it only barly and would matetr little in combat since all fo them have proven to easiliy hit spiderman

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
his skin is bulletproof

Which means what against Wolverine's claws exactly???

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he does have super human strength and the proof for that is when he was fighting wolverine and made a building collapse from a hit with his staff

How does that prove a damn thing??? Cardiac wasn't even holding the staff when that happened. Wolverine knocked it into the building under his own power. The building collapsed because it's a POWERstaff, not because of any of Cardiac's strength.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and if you are so much into proves and scans then show me scans where wolverine takes him out otherwise it never happened

They've already been provided. We have Wolverien beating Cardiac EASILY when mind controlled and stalemating him and surviving his best shots when Cardiac snuck up on his fight with Solo.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Cardiac has his skin laced with a vibranium mesh... which means he can take a hell of a lot... it might be difficult for Wolverine to stab him at all

So what? Vibranium mesh/weave can be cut through and has on several occassions. Pure vibranium has been cut by adamantium blades. So your point is now pointless.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
first of all cardiacs fight vs wolverine in wolverine #134 wasn't even a fight i mean cardiacs staff hits a building and it falls on cardiac thats it wolverine never won.

Uh, how is it not a victory for Wolverine???

Cardiac cheap shots him
Wolverine takes out Solo after Cardiac engages him. (IE it was a double team)
Wolverine takes Cardiac's best shot.
Tears through his protective suit.
Disarms him of his main weapon.
Uses Cardiac's own weapon to collapse a wall on him.
Cardiac is out of the fight.

How the hell is that in any way not a win for Wolverine? So If Wolverine KOs Cap with his own shield is that now somehow not a victory??? Minus 10 points for lack of basic logic.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
as you can see in the first fight wolverine didn't win it was cardiacs staff that did the job by accident

Are you high? Wolverine was the one that deflected the staff into the wall, therefor Wolverine did it. And dont think for a second that it was an accident. Really grasping for straws there. If Wolverine hadn't beat him with the staff he would have just stabbed his ass anyway. Duh.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
in the second fight cardiac was electrocuting him and then the fight stopped so it goes to cardiac

How in the blue and purple hell did you come to that that BS conclusion?
1) Wolverine was fighting Solo.
2) Cardiac sneak attacked him from behind. AGAIN!!!
3) Cardiac's powerstaff did NOTHING to hurt Wolverine.
4) Wolverine was ready to continue that fight.
5) Nightcrawler stopped the fight because he wanted to, not because Wolverine needed him to. He stopped the fight before Wolverine KILLED Solo and Cardiac.
6) No one was beaten or even had any clear advantage. Therefor this was a stalemate. Obviously.

Lay off the pipe.

Originally posted by Scoobless
and he barely touched Solo either

BS. Wolverine slashed Solo twice, threw a FULL dumster at him, and while the moron was reeling Wolverine was in mid air about to finish him off, until Cardiac's sniper attack saved his sorry ass.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Untitled-Scanned-02.jpg
thats how fast wolverine , this is his super reflex right there, a man in armor was fast enough to grab him like that ... ye there you go ..super human reflex right there

Yeah, he's fighting 3 or 4 MANDROIDS that are suped up by Shield, Stark, and multiple villian tech. Try reading the issue genius. 3 NORMAL Mandroids almost took out Wolverine, Storm, and Colossus once upon a time. I could show you about 30 scans of Spider-Man getting hit by normal humans. Does that mean he doesn't have super reflexes? No. Duh.

Originally posted by lando005
spiderman is far faster and agile than wolverine, logan is fast but nowhere near peter's leauge

Wolverine is more than fast/agile enough to beat Spider-Man, just like Cardiac. Except Wolverine does it under his own power, not using projectiles. So what is your point?

Originally posted by lando005
the proof is in every match between the 2 spider-mans proven to be the superior also you can go to any profile and read up on their stats it shows there speeds are nowhere near eachothers, logan cant keep up with speedsters like speeddemon peter could

Even though Wolverine has beaten or stalemated Spider-Man in just about every fight they've had???

Originally posted by Scoobless
Actually it is true, it's been shown in comics for over 30 years, Wolverine, DareDevil, Batman, Captain America, Nightwing... none of them have speed, agility or reflexes on par with Spider-Man

Wolverine Cap and DD all have victories over him, so obviously their speed, agility, reflexes, etc are good enough to get the job done.

lando005 Senior Member

wolverine has never beaten spiderman infact it's quite the oppisite now lets stop this before this is a spidy wolverine thing

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by lando005
wolverine has never beaten spiderman infact it's quite the oppisite now lets stop this before this is a spidy wolverine thing

Wolverine vs. Spider-Man # 1: Wolverine could have poked his brain.
Marvel Comics Presents # 148: Wolverine knocked his ass all over the place without bothering to use his claws.
Marvel Knights Spider-Man # 13: Wolverine stabs him once. Spidey passes out.
Garth Ennis Punisher: While fighting Spidey and DD Wolverine slips out of a hold from Spidey and drop kicks him in the crotch hard enough to KO him.

So, you are wrong, wrong, and very wrong. Wolverine EASILY has what it takes to beat Sider-Man.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
no you are a fanboy for being so dumb 😆

Why am I dumb again? Oh because I can prove what I say. It so funny you resort to insulting me when you have nothing else.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
first of all i will say it again just for you.... how the hell was the staff suppose to trash a building from just falling on him?

Staff was full of energy hit the side of a building and some bricks fell out. The building did not fall.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
its only your speculations that wolverine wouldn't get ko from the building which is dumb as you are

It not speculation at all Logan would not be Koed from a few pieces of brick. Logan takes hits from sas, hulk , thing, rough-house, namor, tiger shark and so on with out beign Koed. So you think it dumb for me to assume a few bricks would not Ko a man who takes 100 class punches and get right back up.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
i never said the staff can melt a metal i said that cardiacs electric bolts can do that , he just use his staff to shoot the electric bolts thrue it , it can melt a metal when it actually shooting electric bolts but when it felt and trashed the building in was just a staff just piece of metal nothing more , get it moron?

I am a moron? Go look at the picture again there was energy in the staff that why it happen. Again with the insults your pathetic.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
my apology? get lost you retard fanboy.. i was reading that issue long time ago but what does it change? wolverine shouldn't take out speedball due to his energy shield so it was a total PIS

I am a retard? You’re the one who flipped out and called me Blind? Who was the bLind one again? Oh that’s right you. Actually the way Logan took out speed ball made total sense. He hit speed ball and speed ball bounce away which is totally with in speed ball abilities to have happen when hit.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
he did hurt her with his claws and cut her even as a drunk she should beat his ass down , another PIS

Actually he never cut her. You will see if you read the issue there was no blood. He only damage her clothing. She was extremely drunk she was so drunk she almost killed a few people with her terrible aim.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
when was wolverine taken out by someone without super powers??? daredevil

Daredevil has powers lol. You ever here of superhuman sense and radar sense? You have the nerve to call me a moron when you think daredevil is completely a normal human. Not to mention Daredevil has never defeated logan. DD was also trained by one of the greatest fighters to ever live.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
... captain america

Really when was this? Capt is not a normal human either, he is a peak human. Capt has only fought wolverine twice and he won neither time. They fought recently in origins and capt ended up being saved by the x-men. They also fought in(MAN AND WOLF PART 3 of 6 CAPTAIN AMERICA # 404) and wolverine was the victor.

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Originally posted by hank_mccoy
... elektra

Has fougthen wolverine twice. Niether fight was finished and Elektra won neither fight. Elektra is also far from human. She has study the dark arts and has become more then human. She also is a low level telepath. So ya you really need to brush up on who human and who is superhuman. Also she was train by stick who Logan has fought as well and did quite well verse him and was on the winning end in (Wolverine # 96 onslaught impact 2)

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Originally posted by hank_mccoy
......the punisher.....

Ya we all know how bad a writer Ennis is when righting other superhero vs punisher. Hell spiderman has quite a few loses vs punisher. This is the only person you have mention that actually does not have powers lol. Because even capt is beyond what a normal human can get to.
Also in
(Wolverine # 186) punisher attacks wolverine and gives it his all, but wolverine just beats the crap out of him and at the end of the fight punisher can’t get up and wolverine pretty much calls him gay and walks away fine.

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Originally posted by hank_mccoy
in wolverine and punisher 10 guys kicked his ass

Have no idea what your talking about here.
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Originally posted by hank_mccoy
...... gorgon

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA man your so funny. Did you just try to say gorgon a man who has a healing factor, superhuman reflexes, agility, telepathic, moves at the speed of thought and can turn people to stone by looking at them has no powers? Man your lack of information is unbelievable. You should try reading some comics before you comment.

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Originally posted by hank_mccoy
act act act as a fanboy you should know that wolverine got his ass kicked many times by people that doesn't have any super powers and that cant shoot anything

The only person you named that did not have powers was punisher. The other have never even defeated Logan lol ecpt for gorgon.