Ultimate Quicksilver vs Flash (Jay Garrick)

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not you, there are others on this board who have. For someone who treats mach 10 as a "joke", his reflexes suck.

Just some people overhyping it. Happens all the time. Still going on with SBP in fact. It's nothing new really.

His reflexes have always been written as pretty crappy for some one as fast as he is in either universe. The guy always gets hit, no matter who the offender is.

How are Pietro's reflexes crap?

Originally posted by manorastroman
but the person quicksilver did it to wasn't a norm, she was a speedster, and she practically got atomized.

i think the art makes it pretty clear that he was at least approaching light speed.

I suggest you read my previous posts as even a speedster going one mach of their maximum can do serious amount of damage to them. Also Northstar vaporized the norm as well.

If that were the case then basically every feat of 616 Northstar is a lightspeed feat.

the art, in combination with speedster atomizing, mark millar's comment, and pietro's flippancy on mach 10, as well as the sheer badassity of the sequence...

why is it so hard to believe?

Originally posted by manorastroman
the art, in combination with speedster atomizing, mark millar's comment, and pietro's flippancy on mach 10, as well as the sheer badassity of the sequence...

why is it so hard to believe?

because a light speed user wouldn't get speedblitzed by Northstar that easily. Unless Ultimate is like 616. Where are Mark Millar's comments? So badass means lightspeed?

Show me where he has shown anything even close to lightspeed prior to this?

he hasn't done anything close to lightspeed prior. mark millar's comment is in wizard, where he states that pietro was approaching lightspeed.

millar+mach 10+atomized speedster+badassxbending light barrier=approaching lightspeed.

i learned that in like third grade, man. 🙄

Originally posted by manorastroman
he hasn't done anything close to lightspeed prior. mark millar's comment is in wizard, where he states that pietro was approaching lightspeed.

millar+mach 10+atomized speedster+badassxbending light barrier=approaching lightspeed.

i learned that in like third grade, man. 🙄

Exactally, so when he just does one feat no one bats an eye?

approaching lightspeed? as was he close? as any speedster can approach lightspeed how close is the question

COME ON, MAN! do you have some beef with ultimate pietro? there's no reason to fight this feat as hard as you seem to be.

Originally posted by manorastroman
COME ON, MAN! do you have some beef with ultimate pietro? there's no reason to fight this feat as hard as you seem to be.

Or you like Pietro to much, a light speed user would not easily get speedblitzed the way he did against Northstar.

You all are making it out to be all ultimate feat when really others have done the exact same thing.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
approaching lightspeed? as was he close? as any speedster can approach lightspeed how close is the question

Main Entry: 1ap·proach
Pronunciation: &-'prOch
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English approchen, from Anglo-French aprocher, from Late Latin appropiare, from Latin ad- + prope near; akin to Latin pro before -- more at FOR
transitive verb
1 a : to draw closer to : NEAR <approach a destination> b : to come very near to : be almost the same as <its mathematics approaches mysticism -- Theodore Sturgeon> <as the quantity x approaches zero>

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Seriously, you're kind of picking with that one.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Or you like Pietro to much, a light speed user would not easily get speedblitzed the way he did against Northstar.

It's comics man. Shit happens.

Originally posted by Validus
It's comics man. Shit happens.

Well considering Deathstroke forced Wally into the location of his chosing it's not that bad. Plus he made a carrer tagging all the Kid Flashes.

Originally posted by Validus
Main Entry: 1ap·proach
Pronunciation: &-'prOch
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English approchen, from Anglo-French aprocher, from Late Latin appropiare, from Latin ad- + prope near; akin to Latin pro before -- more at FOR
transitive verb
1 a : to draw closer to : NEAR <approach a destination> b : to come very near to : be almost the same as <its mathematics approaches mysticism -- Theodore Sturgeon> <as the quantity x approaches zero>

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Seriously, you're kind of picking with that one.

not really as I can always approach something which can also mean moveforward but that doesn't mean I have to be right beside it. QS going lightspeed make absolutelty no sense what's so ever.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well considering Deathstroke forced Wally into the location of his chosing it's not that bad. Plus he made a carrer tagging all the Kid Flashes.

It still holds the same weight as the Northstar/Quicksilver example (maybe, haven't seen it). Still, super fast guys like Flash and Superman get tagged by slowpokes like Hulk and Batman all the time. Bart Allen just got thrown out a window by the damn Griffin and that's a guy with ultimate speed. I'm sure he'll be taking more hits as the book goes on.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
not really as I can always approach something which can also mean moveforward but that doesn't mean I have to be right beside it. QS going lightspeed make absolutelty no sense what's so ever.

I think it seems pretty clear what Mark Millar intended with his statement and the appearance of a light barrier further backs it up. Maybe it contradicts what other writers portray Pietro as but it still doesn't change the fact that Millar wrote him as close to lightspeed.

Originally posted by Validus
It still holds the same weight as the Northstar/Quicksilver example (maybe, haven't seen it). Still, super fast guys like Flash and Superman get tagged by slowpokes like Hulk and Batman all the time. Bart Allen just got thrown out a window by the damn Griffin and that's a guy with ultimate speed. I'm sure he'll be taking more hits as the book goes on.

I think it seems pretty clear what Mark Millar intended with his statement and the appearance of a light barrier further backs it up. Maybe it contradicts what other writers portray Pietro as but it still doesn't change the fact that Millar wrote him as close to lightspeed.

I posted it, Northstar a slowpoke? If Northstar is like 616 Northstar then it's fine. Bart was holding back as he stated as Griffin was his friend and he tried to talk sense into him, when he got tossed out he transformed and took it serious.

Maybe? it definetly contradicts what the other writers stated. If they explain it in the next issue all is well and I'm definetly cool with it. As of now this comes completly out of no where. It's like Wolverine surviving a nuke or the Nitro incident

I'm not calling Northstar a slowpoke. Just saying he doesn't have to be near as fast as Pietro to land a hit. Not in a comic book at least. Things like that are why we get Hulk fanboys trying to justify their Hulk/Superman matches by stating he tagged Quicksilver or some other nonsense.

And even if Bart is holding back he should still have the reflexes as you say to avoid the hit.

Originally posted by Validus
I'm not calling Northstar a slowpoke. Just saying he doesn't have to be near as fast as Pietro to land a hit. Not in a comic book at least.

And even if Bart is holding back he should still have the reflexes as you say to avoid the hit.

If Ultimate Northstar is like 616 Northstar than all is fine, as both could go lightspeed. This feat is still completly out of the blue.

Well considering Bart is you know...afraid of using his speed as he feels he might die and all.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
If Ultimate Northstar is like 616 Northstar than all is fine, as both could go lightspeed. This feat is still completly out of the blue.

Well considering Bart is you know...afraid of using his speed as he feels he might die and all.


*sigh*

Does this example work better for you?

That's fine, but your forgetting they have feats first to know their jobbing. Quicksilver just did this, completly out of the blue contradicting his powerlevel.

Unless a limit was set originally to his speed, it's not really contradicting.

There's nothing to say he couldn't do it.

Originally posted by manorastroman
can classic jay garrick steal speed? for some reason, i remember a comic within the last couple of years where he steals somebody's speed and says something to the effect of "sorry, it's a little trick wally's been trying to teach me"
Pre Infinite Crisis, yes, he could do it.