Thor vs Superman+

Although this thread will never have an answer, it has been brought up by many people that you cannot consider the JLA/Avenger's book canon. Sure it's canon for DC since they went forward with a storyline directly from there, but did Marvel do the same?

Any other comic crossovers come to mind that reflect the same kind of one-sidedness shown with this crossover? Image/DC come to mind. After all, whether you're a fan or not, Spawn's good ole shoelace face was provided by none other than Batman in a crossover by Frank Miller. Spawn sported the look for a while in Image. You think Batman thought twice about his fight with Spawn where he got his ass kicked?

So forget the canonization argument. It doesn't work on many levels. Respected writers? Highly touted and anticipated crossover? Same thing happened in Spawn/Batman. One side considering the crossover canon is as nonsensical as Spawn/Batman and is too self-serving to be considered authoritative.

I mean seriously... what the hell happened to Superman's weakness to magic anyway? Busiek pissed off a lot of people with that one. honestly, how the hell do you explain that away? Oh... its god power... not magic... err yeah... two totally different things... yeah... -.-

🤺 >>>>>superman>>thor

Originally posted by UniOmni
Changing the thread a bit.

Same as before, but now a slugfest.

No other powers except knuckle sandwiches.

Superman is screwed. Superspeed? Good luck going at Mach 1 when your body is catching flames....

Originally posted by Jesse7
You really want superman to lose huh?

Same results as the cannon crossover, Thor goes down in 3 punches.

No i don't want superman to lose.

I only make threads to gauge other posters views of characters.

I've heard it said that Superman without the aura, is still more durable than Thor.

And i took away Thor's greatest weapon, and Superman's greatest defense.
How is it not equal?

To Draco......I thought the same, but then what about WW and the rest of the superspeedy bricks without auras that cover them??

when doomsday started to make superman bleed, where the heck is this aura people talk about, is this speculation as to how things work with him? All I know is his density can be amped, like most of his powers from the sun intake... im gonna get flamed now... go on have at it then!

Originally posted by UniOmni
No i don't want superman to lose.

I only make threads to gauge other posters views of characters.

I've heard it said that Superman without the aura, is still more durable than Thor.

And i took away Thor's greatest weapon, and Superman's greatest defense.
How is it not equal?

To Draco......I thought the same, but then what about WW and the rest of the superspeedy bricks without auras that cover them??

🙄 Jesus H., think about it.
Without his bio aura, Superman is no more durable than any regular person. And you want him to fight Thor??

He is more durable than a human, due to the natural gravity of Krypton.

Originally posted by roughrider
If Superman doesn't have his bio aura, he's vunerable to harm BIG TIME. That's what makes bullets bounce off him, among other things. Even if we say he still has his strength ( which he shouldn't because his aura links flight, touch TK etc.) Thor kills him with the first shot he lands.

Agreed. As much as I like Supes (and not so crazy about Thor), with the aura gone, a punch from Thor is like getting hit by a wrecking ball. Plus: Supes is not gonna be able to use much superstrength, and probably not much superspeed either. To exert superstrength against something, the body has to be able to handle the stresses involved...which now Supes won't be able to. To move really fast, the body has to handle inertial forces...which now Supes can't.

This is worse than Thor losing his hammer...Thor can still do all the other things he can do without it. Superman is compromised on many counts.

Sorry Big Blue (my #2 fave): Thor 9.9/10.

Originally posted by UniOmni
He is more durable than a human, due to the natural gravity of Krypton.

No. Read a bio on Superman's powers - they remark on how, after a pure physical exam of his body, Superman would seem to have only the strength and durability of a normal man who engages in regular exercise. The bio aura he projects, as a result of regular exposure to yellow solar radiation, is what protects him from all but the most extreme harm, enables him to fly and is likely where his strength originates from ie. lifting massively heavy objects even while in the air. This bio aura can be cancelled out by exposure to green kryptonite, which drives out the yellow sunlight in his cells and replaces it with a cancerous-like poison that eventually kills him. Magic can pierce it too, because magic's chaotic nature bypasses the science-based source of power he has - it's why he's been cut by the sword and tiara of Wonder Woman.

Without this aura, Thor will reduce him to pulp even without mjolnir. This isn't an even tradeoff.

Damn, i didn't realize just how dependent Superman was on his aura.

And Roughrider, i'd agree, if he didn't have showings that contradict that bio, which i don't put much faith in anyways.

He's taken nukes while covered in K-Nite powder, and beaten up his rogues while injected with the stuff.

This reinforces the belief that Superman is still superhumanly durable, without the aura.

Unless, the k-nite in the above examples didn't negate his aura, but only weakened it, still allowing some protection.

It's possible for Superman to overcome kryptonite for short periods of time, with enough willpower ( the recent movie showed such an event.) I'll even accept that if he spends sufficent decades absorbing yellow sunlight, he could become immune to green K, as Kingdom Come showed. But no aura at all? Nope; against a superhuman opponent like Thor, this isn't good for him.

Let's not forget Red Solar radiation, which is what the people of Krypton had from their sun. It's a literal off-switch for his powers. In Superman: Red Son, Batman used it to beat the crap out of him.

The bios contradict the books and thus we throw out the bios. That's how things work around here with the Marvel handbooks. Clearly he still has superhuman durability.

Originally posted by roughrider
🙄 Jesus H., think about it.
Without his bio aura, Superman is no more durable than any regular person. And you want him to fight Thor??

It has k.oed him.

When he was distracted and cheap-shotted. If he had normal human durability under the aura, his head would have been knocked off.

But it didn't kill him.

Because M is too nice a guy

🏴‍☠️

Forgetting about Captain Marvel, Superman would clearly have been dead long before he met Doomsday.

After reading through this thread, I have finally realized how easy it would be for a normal powered Thor to defeat a normal powered Superman.

If Superman is a vulnerable without his aura/shield as you claim he is, than Thor should be able to defeat a normal Supes 10/10.

Thor has shown the ability to have the ability to fase through his opponents force fields, he has done so against Kang. I'm just wondering if he can do the same to Superman's field?