Full-potential Gambit vs Full-potential Iceman

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I am not saying now, or that we will ever see it happen. I cannot presume to know how or what they could do, but with their Omega level status in terms of power limits they will surpass alphas in limit if they reach that potentiel And if I remember correctly all the cosmic beings were scared of omega level mutants because they represented the end of them (that was in the X-men Forever series)

I am not saying elixer or Iceman>>>>Jim. Just saying that one way or another the guy has SOME limit to his power, while the other two would not. 😬

Also (and I have not looked into this at all so take it with a grain of salt) according to GS omega level mutants final "power" is to connect with the phoenix force....just a thought

1. Having unlimited potential in one dimension doesn't mean you have unlimited power. The Hulk has unlimited strength, but versatility kills him. If a mutant's only power was to turn things blue, but he was Omega, I could still kill him with a rock.

Iceman can control all the water molecules in the universe if he so pleases, a being that controls all the kinetic energy will be superior. (Also note that it was only THEORIZED that Iceman worked on a kinetic energy level, it was CERTAIN with New Sun).

But anyways, if we are to assume that Iceman at full potential can control kinetic energy, then he wins this. If we are to assume that Iceman is still restricted to water, I'd give it to New Sun.

And, lastly, unlimited potential does not mean unlimited power! 😠

I could kill the Omega-Turn-Things-Blue-Mutant with my bare hands. Just because he has 'no quantifiable limit' to his turn shit blue power, does NOT mean diddly squat. 😛.

Okay, I lied, that wasn't last; this will be. Out of curiosity, how are we to be certain that Omega mutants DO have unlimited potential, anyways? Is it because professor X said so? I'm not so easily convinced. I mean....maybe to a primitive HUMAN mind, there is no real limit to the potential, but on a cosmic scale? How unlimited is unlimited? Could full potential Iceman mess around with water molecules if...say...the LIVING TRIBUNAL judged that he shouldn't?

😬.

****. I just realized that I numbered my first point, but none of the following. Well, don't I look stupid?

Oh, and on your last point, you brought up GS' opinion on the phoenix force and omega mutants.

I just want to point out that that IS an opinion - one that is, obviously, hottly contested by Mr. Master.

Who is correct? I don't have a clue....

Just pointing out that you can't use another poster's opinion as fact.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Having unlimited potential in one dimension doesn't mean you have unlimited power. The Hulk has unlimited strength, but versatility kills him. If a mutant's only power was to turn things blue, but he was Omega, I could still kill him with a rock.

Iceman can control all the water molecules in the universe if he so pleases, a being that controls all the kinetic energy will be superior. (Also note that it was only THEORIZED that Iceman worked on a kinetic energy level, it was CERTAIN with New Sun).

But anyways, if we are to assume that Iceman at full potential can control kinetic energy, then he wins this. If we are to assume that Iceman is still restricted to water, I'd give it to New Sun.

And, lastly, unlimited potential does not mean unlimited power! 😠

I could kill the Omega-Turn-Things-Blue-Mutant with my bare hands. Just because he has 'no quantifiable limit' to his turn shit blue power, does NOT mean diddly squat. 😛.

Okay, I lied, that wasn't last; this will be. Out of curiosity, how are we to be certain that Omega mutants DO have unlimited potential, anyways? Is it because professor X said so? I'm not so easily convinced. I mean....maybe to a primitive HUMAN mind, there is no real limit to the potential, but on a cosmic scale? How unlimited is unlimited? Could full potential Iceman mess around with water molecules if...say...the LIVING TRIBUNAL judged that he shouldn't?

😬.

So... you only have one point Soljer? 😕

Spoiler:
Victory is mine!!!

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
So... you only have one point Soljer? 😕

Spoiler:
Victory is mine!!!

I already pointed that out.

Making a joke about something that someone's already pointed out is hardly difficult, nor entertaining.

POINTING something out in the first place is where the humor's at. Or bringing up something that someone else has pointed out. The person not realizing the mistake is the humor.

You lose, 😛.

Oh..and....

Get a new friggin signature, jizz-warrior!

Originally posted by Soljer
I already pointed that out.

Making a joke about something that someone's already pointed out is hardly difficult, nor entertaining.

POINTING something out in the first place is where the humor's at. Or bringing up something that someone else has pointed out. The person not realizing the mistake is the humor.

You lose, 😛.

Oh..and....

Get a new friggin signature, jizz-warrior!

You... have a comma before your smilie. And a period after that. Implying it's a word.

That probably violates some rule of grammar.

...

HAH! 😠

And Cain is taking a while... 🙁

😆 😆

People have talked about that before, they thought it odd. It never really phased me, I've always tried to use proper grammar.

Even with emoticons - I'll still put periods after them, and commas where specific.

Maybe it's wrong, but, technically, rules of grammar don't give any guidelines for emoticons.

So, I could go BUCK WILD with emoticons and still be grammatically correct.

😛.

What kind of sig are you getting?

Originally posted by Soljer

So, I could go BUCK WILD with emoticons and still be grammatically correct.

Sounds kinky. ermm

Originally posted by Soljer
What kind of sig are you getting?

None of your buisness. 😒

Though... in retrospect... I wonder if I should have given Cain a better ass shot of Gamora... hmm

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
😐

...Iceman> Mad Jim?

..........😐

Is New Sun Immortal? Can he be injured and die by conventional means?
If so, then anyone should see (even a little child) that he loses here.
What is he going when he is frozen instantly. That should kill him unless he has healing factor. His blood, nerves, etc would be damaged beyond repair. Freezing not only freezes but it greatly damages the cells. What about ice spears going through his brain also?

can somebody tell me how powerful is FP iceman?? feats?

Originally posted by h1a8
Is New Sun Immortal? Can he be injured and die by conventional means?
If so, then anyone should see (even a little child) that he loses here.
What is he going when he is frozen instantly. That should kill him unless he has healing factor. His blood, nerves, etc would be damaged beyond repair. Freezing not only freezes but it greatly damages the cells. What about ice spears going through his brain also?

Originally posted by ThePittman
Do you know anything about New Son? Based off of powers alone they would cancel each other out and "freezing" wouldn't do anything because New Sun has complete control over kinetic energy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Where was it stated he had complete control over kinetic energy, I tend not to avoid things that focus too much on Gambit. Was this a universal control of energy?

Originally posted by ThePittman
Do you know anything about New Son? Based off of powers alone they would cancel each other out and "freezing" wouldn't do anything because New Sun has complete control over kinetic energy.

Yet that has nothing to do with his reflexes (which are peak human at best). FP iceman attacks are faster than he can comprehend. He can instantly freeze Gambit into a block of ice by instantly willing the air around him to freeze. Or simply shooting millions of ice spears and ice boulders(or mountains) at him in all directions at superspeed before he can react.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet that has nothing to do with his reflexes (which are peak human at best). FP iceman attacks are faster than he can comprehend. He can instantly freeze Gambit into a block of ice by instantly willing the air around him to freeze. Or simply shooting millions of ice spears and ice boulders(or mountains) at him in [B]all directions at superspeed before he can react. [/B]

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Where was it stated he had complete control over kinetic energy, I tend not to avoid things that focus too much on Gambit. Was this a universal control of energy?

Here is a description of him.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=748

I also believe he wiped out his universe learning to control his powers and was able to travel to 616 on his own command of his powers.

LOL New Son also killed his realities Phoenix🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet that has nothing to do with his reflexes (which are peak human at best). FP iceman attacks are faster than he can comprehend. He can instantly freeze Gambit into a block of ice by instantly willing the air around him to freeze. Or simply shooting millions of ice spears and ice boulders(or mountains) at him in [B]all directions at superspeed before he can react. [/B]

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Having unlimited potential in one dimension doesn't mean you have unlimited power. The Hulk has unlimited strength, but versatility kills him. If a mutant's only power was to turn things blue, but he was Omega, I could still kill him with a rock.

Iceman can control all the water molecules in the universe if he so pleases, a being that controls all the kinetic energy will be superior. (Also note that it was only THEORIZED that Iceman worked on a kinetic energy level, it was CERTAIN with New Sun).

But anyways, if we are to assume that Iceman at full potential can control kinetic energy, then he wins this. If we are to assume that Iceman is still restricted to water, I'd give it to New Sun.

And, lastly, unlimited potential does not mean unlimited power! 😠

I could kill the Omega-Turn-Things-Blue-Mutant with my bare hands. Just because he has 'no quantifiable limit' to his turn shit blue power, does NOT mean diddly squat. 😛.

Okay, I lied, that wasn't last; this will be. Out of curiosity, how are we to be certain that Omega mutants DO have unlimited potential, anyways? Is it because professor X said so? I'm not so easily convinced. I mean....maybe to a primitive HUMAN mind, there is no real limit to the potential, but on a cosmic scale? How unlimited is unlimited? Could full potential Iceman mess around with water molecules if...say...the LIVING TRIBUNAL judged that he shouldn't?

😬.

Iceman FTW

The day IM controls kinetic energy like New Son and can time travel and work on remaking universe's I'll vote for him, until then New Sonwrecks him.