Originally posted by Kas'Im
Dooku.Saber wise, his mastery of Makashi plus other forms > Maul's Juyo mastery.
Now granted that Juyo is a very aggressive form (which excels against Makashi), the fact that it is an incomplete form + the fact that Dooku has mastered other forms + the fact that Dooku utilises Makashi in an unorthodox manner + the fact that Dooku is damn skilled and has way more experience with his form leads me to believe that Maul still has no chance.Force wise, Dooku has displayed far more power (shown in his force fight with Yoda, Maul has shown what exactly?), better control (lifting both Anakin and Kenobi up at the same time) and has way more knowledge; years and years of experience with both the light and dark side of the force, he also knows force lightning among other things. He is also in the know and possession of many sith secrets, such as Darth Andeddu's holocron.
Testament to his skill is how in Dark Rendezvous, Assaj Ventress says something which displeases the count and he instantly brings her to her knees with some next force attack, and she couldn't do jack to defend against it.Another great thing about Dooku is how he duels, with just one hand. Now this coupled along with the fact that he is an incredibly gifted and experienced duelist means that he finds it especially easy to pull off a force attack while in a duel. Now obviously against someone like Yoda he wouldn't be able to pull it off, but Darth Maul is no Yoda.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Maul's no different than Anakin, if he gets that mad, yea he'll be more vicious, but he WILL make mistakes, and Dooku will kill him.
You know he will make mistakes? If you look at the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan fight, he wasn't making any mistakes until AFTER he had them beat, he is focused in combat, just over-confident
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
You could say the same for Anakin, he had OB1 on the run the ENTIRE fight, and only made one mistake with the jump...do you know that he won't make a mistake? Works both ways. Either way, Dooku wins. Brains over brawn.And before you all say it, Vader has both so he still beats Dooku, lol.
You do realise Obi-Wan was purposefully falling back right?
Based on his fight with Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon, yes, I say he won't, until he has Dooku hanging onto a Lightbulb above a giant Pit.
Angry Maul > Dooku
Dooku > Maul
OB1 was losing the fight til ht end. And OB1 is no Dooku. I dont agree even half of a little bit with you.
Nothing against you mind you, i just disagree. All sith are angry and Maul never got to the point to beat Dooku. And no one has yet posted anything saying that Sidious was fighting for his life against Maul. I see no way Maul can win, less hand to hand.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
OB1 was losing the fight til ht end. And OB1 is no Dooku. I dont agree even half of a little bit with you.Nothing against you mind you, i just disagree. All sith are angry and Maul never got to the point to beat Dooku. And no one has yet posted anything saying that Sidious was fighting for his life against Maul. I see no way Maul can win, less hand to hand.
Since I have neither the book, or a quote, all I can give you is Wookie's word.
"Maul's anger and hatred boiled over and he flew at Sidious with renewed strength, actually coming close to beating him. Sidious just barely deflected Maul's blows."
Eventually, even that strength was spent, and Sidious hurled the blade from Maul's hands. Maul was defenseless, used up, facing imminent death, but even here, to his credit, he kept fighting, even sinking his teeth into Sidious's hand. But rather than finish off Maul, Sidious threw his blade aside and laughed.
"Do you feel the hate?… It is the source of your strength. You still hate me. No matter. Today you have delivered yourself into my hands. I have the power of life and death over you, Maul. Someday, you will hold that power over another. It is the honor of the Sith. You will devote yourself to the idea of domination."
— Darth Sidious
Maul had given in to his rage and hatred, and had tried to kill his master, wanted to kill him. In a unique way, he had sought to fulfill the Sith commandment that an apprentice had to slay someone close to him to be accepted. And, having been raised in near-total isolation, who was Maul close to other than Sidious? Now he was ready. Now he could become a Sith.
"You have passed the test… From this day forward, you are a Sith Lord. You have chosen the path of darkness, the path of power. You are Lord Maul. You are my instrument."
— Darth Sidious
obviously Sidious still had the advantage and could ahev killed him at any time. He was renewed with strength, so dont say he was tired. he did good, but not good enough. Barely able to block an attack, is still blocking.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Eventually, even that strength was spent, and Sidious hurled the blade from Maul's hands. Maul was defenseless, used up, facing imminent death, but even here, to his credit, he kept fighting, even sinking his teeth into Sidious's hand. But rather than finish off Maul, Sidious threw his blade aside and laughed."Do you feel the hate?… It is the source of your strength. You still hate me. No matter. Today you have delivered yourself into my hands. I have the power of life and death over you, Maul. Someday, you will hold that power over another. It is the honor of the Sith. You will devote yourself to the idea of domination."
— Darth Sidious
Maul had given in to his rage and hatred, and had tried to kill his master, wanted to kill him. In a unique way, he had sought to fulfill the Sith commandment that an apprentice had to slay someone close to him to be accepted. And, having been raised in near-total isolation, who was Maul close to other than Sidious? Now he was ready. Now he could become a Sith."You have passed the test… From this day forward, you are a Sith Lord. You have chosen the path of darkness, the path of power. You are Lord Maul. You are my instrument."
— Darth Sidiousobviously Sidious still had the advantage and could ahev killed him at any time. He was renewed with strength, so dont say he was tired. he did good, but not good enough. Barely able to block an attack, is still blocking.
Yes, but you see my point right? He was still forcing Sidious back, and that's not too easy, even Mace was having trouble with that. And Dooku, with his Makashi, trying to fight heavy attacks from Juyo, which is better than Anakin's Djem So, is going to give Maul a HUGE advantage, assuming he's super angry
doesnt say he was forced back, it says he was barley able to block his attacks. Mace was winning the duel, Sids didnt start faking til Anakin came him. Even in the ROTS commentary, GL said that he re-shot that fight when origianlly Sids only beat him with Anakin's help(which was how it was anyway) not because he was better than Mace, but only because inthat version Anakin was already on the darkside and he decided to make that the pivotal point. o he had it in his mind that Mace was beating Sids.
I can see where youre coming from, but Dooku's mastery would be too much for Maul's ability. I say it would be a tough fight though. And no one can say im a Dooku fanboy, cause thats just NOT the case.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
doesnt say he was forced back, it says he was barley able to block his attacks. Mace was winning the duel, Sids didnt start faking til Anakin came him. Even in the ROTS commentary, GL said that he re-shot that fight when origianlly Sids only beat him with Anakin's help(which was how it was anyway) not because he was better than Mace, but only because inthat version Anakin was already on the darkside and he decided to make that the pivotal point. o he had it in his mind that Mace was beating Sids.I can see where youre coming from, but Dooku's mastery would be too much for Maul's ability. I say it would be a tough fight though. And no one can say im a Dooku fanboy, cause thats just NOT the case.
No, I know Mace was winning, but he was about even with Sidious, and Mace was probably the best Saber duelest, even against most in the NJO era, for Maul to get Sidious trying hard at his level of experience is something, when Mace was only a bit better than Sidious
I know Maul would lose, but I think he could either win, or come close to it(seriously injuring Dooku) if he was super pissed
Assuming he caught Dooku off guard. If Dooku wasnt expecting Maul to go crazy then he might be in for a chance (like how Anakin and Obi switched forms, thus suprising Dooku and giving them the advantage). I honestly dont see how an angry Maul has a chance. Speed isnt a problem for Dooku - he was easily able to go up against the likes of Yoda. Maul will be far more likely to make a mistake when angry. Dooku's force mastery is vastly superior, if things get to much for the Count he can just eliminate Maul like he did Obi-Wan.
This is absurd.
1) Maul did not "Almost kill Sidious". Sidious was letting Maul get angry so that he would use it to its full advantage, and thus become powerful (a la Luke in ROTJ) Palpatine purposely let Maul live in order to get him angry. This was his final test before becoming a full Sith lord. There's a quote somewhere where Palpatine almost made Maul shit his pants because when they were sparring Palps 'drew' around Mauls whole body with his saber, so fast that had Maul moved an inch he would have been cut bad, possibly killed. Maul is no where even remotely close to Sidious in anything.
2) Dooku would absolutely school Maul, the fight would be absurd. Dooku is vastly superior to Maul in everything, Dooku would own Maul like Sidious would own Maul, only just a little less hard.
3) Maul would get WTFpwned by ROTS Anakin.
So on topic, Dooku destroys Maul with minimal effort.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
This is absurd.1) Maul did not "Almost kill Sidious". Sidious was letting Maul get angry so that he would use it to its full advantage, and thus become powerful (a la Luke in ROTJ) Palpatine purposely let Maul live in order to get him angry. This was his final test before becoming a full Sith lord. There's a quote somewhere where Palpatine almost made Maul shit his pants because when they were sparring Palps 'drew' around Mauls whole body with his saber, so fast that had Maul moved an inch he would have been cut bad, possibly killed. Maul is no where even remotely close to Sidious in anything.
Umm, k? He did almost kill Sidious, as said, Sidious was barely blocking those hits, unless you want to vastly downgrade his skill, a Younger, faster version of ROTS Sidious