I think the problem of Davy Jones will be gone but in the long run the EITC are gonne beat Jack and everyone at the end of AWE..they are going to be too strong..the main problem is Davy Jones being in their hands..that is th one thing hey need to remove otherwise things are well and truly screwed...the EITC are still gonna screw them all but at least the problem of Davy Jones being in their hands is gone..
the EITC are more powerful with Davy than without Davy..remember they have the heart..and they will need to remove Davy from the planet in order to stop them getting their hands on it again
Chiki..the EITC didnt lose against the pirates in history, they won against the pirates. They did eventually take over the world and pirates did die out.
IMO at worlds End means the end of pirates.end of the old world that Jack "loves" so much...or does he now have something better to love now? 😄
this isnt history, its disney. when in history did krakens exist, or men cut out their hearts and put them in chests, or calypso exist, etc?
i think Tia is going to help them beat the eitc, as calypso. we know beckett will be beaten. the eitc was a huge presence in history, but that doesnt mean they always won every battle.
plus, its mainly beckett who wants to annialate pirates. if he goes, that whole plot is pretty much over and the eitc can go back to being villians who leave the pirates alone.
i really really REALLY dont think Disney would take their most memorable, lauded, brilliant and loved character of all time and try to change him from pirate to normal person. jack is a pirate, hes a legend, hes a scoundrel and to see him as anything else would be really diminishing his character, IMO.
they didnt but you really think they would say that at the end of PotC the EITC lost againt the pirates???
Jack and Rose never existed in real life but that doesnt mean the Titanic didnt hit an iceberg and go down..
Imagine if the titanic didnt sink at the end of that movie?? Imagine if they made it crash into another ship instead of an iceberg??
the critics and audience alike will rip PotC to shreds if they decide to say true historical events never happened
Box Office Mojo: What is the meaning of the series?
Ted Elliott: It's a study of what is a pirate. How free can you really be? What are those trade-offs? Jack kind of represents the ultimate free man—he really has no obligations to anybody, and, obviously, if you make an obligation to somebody, you're limiting your own freedom. But, if you're not willing to limit your own freedom, you can't have those relationships. If you look at Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest from that point of view, you kind of see what really leads to Jack's ultimate fate and why Elizabeth does what she does.
then think of that over the entire trilogy...
piracy is coming to an end..its going to be a tradeoff..Jack's gonna trade being a pirate for something or someone else.
right now I dont think people can imagine Jack wanting to change from being a pirate to something else
but if we all see how much danger Jack will be in if he remains a pirate..I dont think people would want him to walk into the mouth of hell..what kind of ending would that be for him?
I cant imagine him staying on land..I bet he remains a sailor or something but just not a pirate.
One, I don't think T&T and Disney would do something as ridiculous and retarded as to make Will so F*CKING STUPID and marry Elizabeth on his death bed. That's so F*CKING RETARDED!
She wouldn't marry a dying man, even as a favor. No one wants to be a widow, man. Besides her feelings for Jack would over come the little voice telling her to make Will happy in his last moments. She knows that marring Will, whether he would die in a few minutes or not, would mean she is bound to him. Fully.
But she's a pirate at heart, she doesn't want this. She needs to feel like she has some freedom, she's already been there fantisizing about sailing the seas, she's dreamed about pirates and swordfights. She's been there. Why go back?
Elizabeth wouldn't just give up, in my opinion, they might leave it as a semi-cliffhanger. Jack and Elizabeth would sail off into the sunset, even as the East India Trading Company hunts them down, they'll have each other.
Together, they'll run. If they perish or not, they'll be together. I don't think Jack would ever want to go back to normal civilian life, with the woman of his dreams or not, he can't go back. Elizabeth wouldn't, couldn't and won't go back to that horrible lie in Port Royal.
Jack set her free, why the hell would she return to the cage? All this talk about kids is getting to people's heads. In my mind, there is not kid. No 'anchore' to hold Jack in place and keep him alive. That's not living, " What the Pearl really is, is freedom..."
The Pearl is a ship, Jack's ship. He sees it as freedom to sail the seas, to go beyond the barriers of a normal human. That's his greatest dream. To be truly free, even though he gave up his Pearl, would he not want it back? Jack is not a truly unselfish guy. He could change, sure, but it's impossible to change completely. Even if you spend years trying, you'll always have that little bit of yourself hidden away, where no one could see.
Jack won't let this part of him die, he won't let Elizabeth go back to her prison. They'll fly away, break free.
Sail.
she does marry him before he dies..says so in that script my friend has
I also think the Pearl becomes Barbossa's towards the end of AWE because Barbossa is the one who marries them on it
Jack doesnt really care about the pearl anymore because he has Liz now "she's only a ship mate" then we see him just staring at Elizabeth
who said she was at Port Royal in the last scene?..she may very well be somewhere else on the sea somewhere with Jack.
the whole point of DMC was about Jack starting to give certain things up like material possessions because other things in life are far more imporatant to him now like Elizabeth for example
I think otherwise, I think people would like to see Jack as a change man But,is something that nobody would expect it ever to happened from the character. It would be interesting to see him change and evolve in to something else. Something that everyone would have liked to see but, never expected to see. That would be a shocker. People walking out of the theater saying "hey i would have never expect that character to go that way".
Box Office Mojo: What is the meaning of the series?
Ted Elliott: It's a study of what is a pirate. How free can you really be? What are those trade-offs? Jack kind of represents the ultimate free man—he really has no obligations to anybody, and, obviously, if you make an obligation to somebody, you're limiting your own freedom. But, if you're not willing to limit your own freedom, you can't have those relationships. If you look at Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest from that point of view, you kind of see what really leads to Jack's ultimate fate and why Elizabeth does what she does.
Its all about tradeoffs..what we see in DMC will probably be repeated on a larger scale in 3..and remember Lizzie didnt leave him and then abandon him before it ended..she wanted him back in her life before it ended
and if pirate kind will die out in the future then Jack cant be free to live can he? IMO its gonna be a tradeoff that Jack makes..where he trades the pirate life in for something else..I dont know what though..probably Elizabeth and a life somewhere out of harms way with her..and if they have a kid..its gonna be more desperate to be elsewhere away from danger.
..Its just what Ted says.
Is Jack willing enough to give up certain things he loves to be with something he wants more? Movie 2 showed us that he's willing to...and that Lizzie wasnt ready but by the end IMO she was accepting Jack in her life and willing to give up a happy ever after with Will to be with Jack again...which IMO she wants far more than Will
you can call in BS all you want..but the script says it..and I was confimed to be right about one thing i read in the script and thats Will becoming the next captain after stabbing the heart...so IMO the other stuff in there is pretty true..or at least rings true in some way.
apparently they HAVE cut that ending but is this Disney just being secretive?
Or did they cut it because they're smart? Does anyone else really just not buy the whole thing with her having a kid? It's been done before and it seems too melodramatic in my opinion.
Or her marrying Will right before he dies? Logically speaking, it doesn't make sense. Why would he marry her and then decide all of the sudden to stab the heart?
I'd understand if they were perhaps about to get married and then they both come to the realization that they've got different priorities, but if he had every intention of dying, and his stabbing the heart is an intentional act, why bother to marry her and contribute to the misery?
I don't know, the writers have said that this will be the most romantic of all the movies, and that the ending will be bitter sweet. If Will dies after marrying Elizabeth, that's not bitter sweet. That's tragic. If he dies after perhaps coming to the realization that Jack is in fact in love with Elizabeth, that would be bitter sweet.
I'm not even a W/E shipper or a huge fan of Will's and I still believe that the option seems entirely out of character for the series. Elizabeth's not going to turn to Jack for comfort. She'd more than likely hate him all the more for having come between her and Will. Not to mention the guilt....see what I'm saying, it doesn't make sense either from a story perspective or an emotional perspective.
There is no history to suggest the EITC wiped out pirates. This is pure Disney 'history' And opium was the cargo, not slaves. And pirates exist to this day, they just use Uzis instead of swords! Can you picture Jack with an Uzi in the future??!
How can they possibly have more films about Captain Jack's adventures with Liz involved? Kind of takes the fun out of it I would think. No more romantic liasons, etc. --might be boring.
Jack almost has to be on his own at the end of AWE to make any sense, especially if they make additional movies. If there were no movies after AWE then anything would go, including Jack and Liz, which I agree would be nice, kid or no kid, ..'dress or no dress '(Oops, I digress)