Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
I just want to bring up the excellent post Borbarad has mentioned in his posts.“Our systems are failing! Our weapons are spent!”
And with all that, Sadow holds up his hand and...the results:
“Those flares...the explosions...”
Now compare this with what we know the actual ship does as seen with Aleema Keto:
I think that, with textual and visual evidence, that it is is highly possible that Sadow performed the feat on his own.
With this mind I think Sadow has a good chance of winning. Bane's best feat was the destruction that a little girl somehow mnaged to survive...not much competition.
Coupled with the destructive power of his amulets as seen in their usage by Exar Kun, I can't see Sadow losing in anything except a saber/sword duel.
Originally posted by IKP
Force Mastery: Bane displays the ability to direct a lightning attack across an entire planet (this was PoD Bane, with only a few years of training, who then went on to refine his abilities for an entire decade), and use his powers on the sub-atomic level (that was his Ro2 self).Force Power: Bane displays the strength to absorb a level of energy that was stated to have been able to destroy the entire planet of Ruusan, and contain it rather than get torn apart by it. His power is also stated to be far greater than that of the entire BoD, a force strong legion of Force users.
Force Knowledge: He possesses the sources of knowledge of three great Lords of the Sith: Darth Revan, Freedon Nadd, and Belia Darzu, having studied extensively the knowledge bases of the first two.
Overall Lightsaber Ability: On equal footing with Kas'im, and before receiving the benefits of the orbalisk armour, he was able to completely dominate the battle, and this was against a foe that had mastered and spent decades perfecting every single form of the lightsaber, was extremely physically conditioned, and was strong enough in the Force that he was able to defend against an attack that would have instantly decimated his entire body. He was stated by the omniscient narrator to be the greatest swordsman of his age, and possibly the greatest there had ever been up until his time.
Speed in Combat: His displays of speed in the middle of combat are completely unparalleled, where he's been described to move far too quickly for powerful Force users (the likes of Kas'im) to see, and where he's been described to fight so quickly that his lightsaber appeared to be everywhere at once (from the perspective of someone as powerful as Darth Zannah).
Physical conditioning: Bane was described as a "mountain of muscle," and stood 2 metres tall.
Orbalisk armour: The orbalisks cover his entire body, with the exception of his head, and are immune to almost any type of physical damage there is (with lightning stated to be the only weakness), and enhance Bane's physical capabilities (via adrenaline) and strength in the Force (via darkside energies) to substantial degrees. In lightsaber combat, this enables him to focus nearly completely on offence without having to sacrifice defence, use his body to block attacks, and throw melee attacks without having to worry about his limbs being sliced off, making him a far more effective, and alien fighter.
Intelligence: Bane is consistently displayed to be a smart fighter, where he's shown to use his surrounding to his advantage, and make full use of the advantages he has over his opponents. Outside of combat, he's described as being a genius, and visionary, and his learning rate is shown to be more extreme than that of any other (fully mastering force lightning in under an hour for instance). Aside from all of that, his prowess in manipulation is described as being pretty phenomenal, similar to the likes of Darth Sidious and Darth Traya, as can be seen here:
Bane was a visionary, able to see far into the future. He understood how to exploit the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of the Republic. he knew how to draw the eyes of the Jedi away from the dark side, while at the same time leading them down the first steps that would end in their complete annihilation. He could manipulate people, organisations, and governments, planting seeds that would lay dormant for years--even decades--before they burst forth. - Ro2, PG 288.
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To recap, he's displayed the ability to defend against a planetary level of power, and his control of his powers is so great that he can use them with a planetary level scale, or alternatively a sub-atomic level scale. He was already an extremely capable lightsaber wielder even before obtaining the orbalisk armour, and with it, he's pretty much unstoppable. He's physically as impressive as it gets, and one of the more intelligent characters there's shown to be in SW Canon. He excels in all areas, and based on what we know, Luke doesn't possess a single advantage over him, and is far from as complete a combatant as Bane is.
Bane has the more impressive resume, and would most likely win in a tough battle.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
With this mind I think Sadow has a good chance of winning.
Well as I said before, he required the use of those crystals to perform said feat (with an unknown amount of required preparation), which not only should not be allowed in this scenario given that they aren't what Sadow usually carried on him, but would also be virtually useless in a fast paced battle scenario as Sadow wouldn't be given the time to pull them out of his ass and start working his powers on them.
Bane's best feat was the destruction that a little girl somehow mnaged to survive...not much competition.
Firstly, Bane was able to directly absorb the entire magnitude of energy that was used on Ruusan, contain it, and then direct it across the entirety or Ruusan, whereas Zannah simply defended against an unfocused, minuscule portion of the attack.
Secondly, your appeal to ridicule in no way changes the fact that said "little girl" -- when using her powers instinctively -- was already capable of achieving high end feats, such as snapping the necks of battle hardened Jedi with her Force powers, one immediately after the other. The portion of the BoD's Force Storm that she defended against, whilst only a fraction of what Bane was originally capable of absorbing, was still described as "consuming everything and anything in its path," and shown to literally tear at the surface of the planet, after all.
Coupled with the destructive power of his amulets as seen in their usage by Exar Kun, I can't see Sadow losing in anything except a saber/sword duel.
Firstly, you're honouring by association, assuming that the amulet in Sadow's hands would have been as destructive as they were with Kun, whilst ignoring the effect that Exar's phenomenal Force strength would have had.
Secondly, whilst Exar's usage of the amulet is somewhat impressive as far as small scale displays go, I fail to see how it even compares to Bane's planetary level showings with the Force. Hell, Bane himself was capable of casually disintegrating a dozen Technobeasts in an instant - that's one of Bane's lesser feats, and it still has what Kun was able to achieve with his amulets firmly beaten.
Why don't you guys just lay off Nebaris. He does nothing wrong as far as I can see, he's a great debater and things always get more interesting when he's around.
Why the hell was he banned in the first place? I heard that you didn't like the way he debated, which just sounds like a lame excuse to me. I'm just wondering because it sounds like your just pickin' on him.
I may be wrong, but its just my impression.
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightYou make him sound like the ghost of mary shaw. "She came back". Gives me the creeps
He was banned originally for creating an alt account to mock another user. He has returned again and again simply to spout his opinion such as Darth Krayt can beat Yoda....In short he's a retard.
