Silver Surfer vs Shaman Nate...

Wow how times have changed. X-Man is narrowing the gap in performance/versatility making the fight much more competitive.

Pre Depowerment.

Originally posted by Ambient
alot more durable

Originally posted by Ambient
and faster

Originally posted by Ambient
Not to mention his got something called CA and being able to see past/future events could be a big help

Originally posted by Ambient
energy output/Input SS by far surpasses Shaman Nate..

Originally posted by Ambient
I think this would be his weakness, after all his still human and prone to physical fatique...

Yeah so you see, X-Man is becoming much more competitive.

Now we have to be patient and wait to see DnA how Nate will be at full strength. Rumor is, sometime in the future Nate empowerment will play a big part of an arc in the New Mutants.

^^^ Fair warning, DnA tend to write heralds down a bit. Not Bendis down, but they tend to like their protagonists to be somewhat vulnerable.

Surfer wins. Surfer is at present beyond corporeal existence - snowflakes anyone?

Also, Surfer can TP/mindcontrol a whole planet at once... aaaand, Nate is still a mutant at base, so Surfer could just switch off the x-gene.

Originally posted by janus77
aaaand, Nate is still a mutant at base, so Surfer could just switch off the x-gene.

Yeah, because when you are energy, you have genes to manipulate.

What if Surfer binds his lifeforce to a planet, and then blows up said planet?

Originally posted by "Id"
Yeah, because when you are energy, you have genes to manipulate.

Does Nate Gray have the same feats and powers he did in his own comic a few years ago? Ive read the comic he didnt do anything that could hurt the surfer sadly.

Originally posted by janus77
well, it's all energy in some form/state or another.
Surfer just translates one into the other.

It would be no different than for me to claim that, Nate could drain Surfer of his mental energies, leaving behind a lifeless husk. But you would question such actions, considering his own mental defenses. Likewise its not like the Surfer is going to just stand there, and allow himself to be drained.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What if Surfer binds his lifeforce to a planet, and then blows up said planet?

Tough question. This a person that willed himself back from being discorporated Body, and Mind.

Originally posted by "Id"
Only if Nate stands there and allows him too. He can atomically control matter telekinetically. Or Psionically warp reality.

It would be no different than for me to claim that, Nate could drain Surfer of his mental energies, leaving behind a lifeless husk. But you would question such actions, considering his own mental defenses. Likewise its not like the Surfer is going to just stand there, and allow himself to be drained.

Tough question. This a person that willed himself back from being discorporated Body, and Mind.

Excellent point.

Surfer can do pretty much everything Nate can and he has the same capacity to reform from nothing (snowflakes, UniLord etc).

Remember he's given the entire population of Earth a "happy" before and he's controlled and placed in orbit the entire fleeing fleet of Sakaar...

Surfer also has the CA which will scan and find weaknesses (it's a fundamental force in the universe, how can it not work?), as well as provide him with magnitudes greater awareness of energy waves and signatures...

I don't see Nate having any angle of attack on Surfer, whilst Surfer does have some truly bizarre stuff - astral plane, lifeforce binding, energy manipulation and draining - that might work on Nate.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Surfer. He has already taken down god Cable who is analogous to Nate Grey. Nate might be a tad more powerful than gcable but i don't think that much.

Originally posted by janus77

I don't see Nate having any angle of attack on Surfer, whilst Surfer does have some truly bizarre stuff - astral plane.

Originally posted by "Id"
Wow how times have changed. X-Man is narrowing the gap in performance/versatility making the fight much more competitive.

Pre Depowerment.

Surfer is more durable, not counting X-Man Intangibility & Shield. He could just reform his body from nothing.

He can slip out of the time stream all together, and reenter in the planck length.

Telepathic - Precognitive with over 300 different ways to gain wisdom.

True Surfer yields greater output of raw force. But Nate Telepathy is monstrous.

Thats no longer the case. He is a psychic force much like Cyborg Superman, Plutonian, or Sentry, capable of reforming his body from nothing.

Yeah so you see, X-Man is becoming much more competitive.

Now we have to be patient and wait to see DnA how Nate will be at full strength. Rumor is, sometime in the future Nate empowerment will play a big part of an arc in the New Mutants.

sounds like a winner

hopefully no more suga man though

Suga man? Who the hell is that?

Originally posted by dmills
Suga man? Who the hell is that?

does surfer have an answer to Nate's reality warping though?
give the his power levels prior retirement, who's to say Nates reality warping won't affect Surfer?

aw my bad guys. i had a typo within my reply
what i meant to say was that cable stated that Nate possessed all of his abilities WITHOUT the techno organic virus and more back in cable #14, stating that even at his peak w/ out the techno-organic virus he was outmatched

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer can do pretty much everything Nate can

Originally posted by janus77
and he has the same capacity to reform from nothing (snowflakes, UniLord etc).

Again neither has the advantage over reforming from each other.

Originally posted by janus77

Remember he's given the entire population of Earth a "happy" before

Not to mention the mentally reforming Idiris fragmented mind across the multiverse.

Telepathically, X-Man is on a different level.

Originally posted by janus77
he's controlled and placed in orbit the entire fleeing fleet of Sakaar...

Originally posted by janus77

Surfer also has the CA which will scan and find weaknesses (it's a fundamental force in the universe, how can it not work?), as well as provide him with magnitudes greater awareness of energy waves and signatures...

Again, there is no real distinct advantage over one another.

Originally posted by janus77

I don't see Nate having any angle of attack on Surfer, whilst Surfer does have some truly bizarre stuff - astral plane, lifeforce binding, energy manipulation and draining - that might work on Nate.

Lifeforce Binding - He is Reality Warper there is no guarantee. Likewise X-Man can hit him with a hax a bility of his own, like an isolated time freeze.

Energy Manipulation - Nate can do that too.

And Draining - Nate can do that too.

So Nate is o longer depowered?

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Nate is o longer depowered?